Disney to provide Cast Members with free MMR vaccines

[Matt_Black]

Only if the reason was related to a disability recognized under the ADA. Refusing to get a vaccination that is important for public health could trump other laws. State health departments have the authority to quarantine and in the case of an outbreak of an epidemic, probably also mandate vaccinations that would prevent the spread of said epidemic.

An employer can deny employment if a candidate refuses to take a drug test.

Well, the specifics I was responding to were about people who did not receive vaccinations due to legitimate medical complications.

 

[Matt_Black]

The first world people and their problems.

Not positive, but I'm pretty sure that "finding a job" goes beyond just the first world....

 

[MarkTwain]

But you could still go to WDW and spend your time there, just like a CM. Are you saying then, that those who cannot get vaccinated should not be allowed to go to WDW?

Sorry, but a medical reason is a valid reason for not vaccinating.

Those guests wouldn't be preparing other guests' food, doling out first aid, scrubbing counters, or housekeeping.

I'm with @unkadug on this one.

 

[LAKid53]

Well, the specifics I was responding to were about people who did not receive vaccinations due to legitimate medical complications.

However, the "undue burden" concept may apply - the undue burden being the spread of a highly contagious disease. As I said, public health issues may trump the ADA.

As I previously stated, my university - a state institution - requires as part of the admission process proof of measles vaccination or immunity. Neither is required if born before 1958. And there's been no issue with ADA in this matter. You don't provide the documentation, you're not going to be able to attend classes until you do so. Simple as that. And it resulted from a measles outbreak on campus in 1986.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

Forgot to mention that he too, like you, has developed food allergies. Not as severe as the others, but certainly has forced changes in his diet. Hopefully, the food allergies won't become as severe as our grandfather's - the probably DNA source of his allergies. My dad's side of the family (and I must get most of my genes from his side, lol) has no allergies. They just die from heart attacks by the age of 70.

Mine aren't super severe either; I've just got a lot of them. But I do carry an epi pen. Pineapple is my worst one. I can't be in the same room with it, let alone eat it. But there are people who have it worse than I do with food allergies.

My mom's side of the family is the history of asthma, so I get the DNA thing. My mom, her sister, both of her parents, about three or four cousins, my mom's maternal grandmother...

My brother is like you in that he has barely any allergies and no asthma. Weird how it can affect one sibling but not the other. But he has autism, so he doesn't exactly have it easy either.

 

[LAKid53]

Those guests wouldn't be preparing other guests' food, doling out first aid, scrubbing counters, or housekeeping.

I'm with @unkadug on this one.

Absolutely. Not being an epidemiologist, I don't know how long the measles virus can survive in the air or on surfaces. Since contagion is around 4 days before to 4 days after the rash appears, according to the CDC, and the rash appears several days after the initial symptoms of coughing, fever, sore throat, I sure wouldn't want the person preparing my omelet at the All Stars food court to be unvaccinated.

 

[LAKid53]

Mine aren't super severe either; I've just got a lot of them. But I do carry an epi pen. Pineapple is my worst one. I can't be in the same room with it, let alone eat it. But there are people who have it worse than I do with food allergies.

My mom's side of the family is the history of asthma, so I get the DNA thing. My mom, her sister, both of her parents, about three or four cousins, my mom's maternal grandmother...

My brother is like you in that he has barely any allergies and no asthma. Weird how it can affect one sibling but not the other. But he has autism, so he doesn't exactly have it easy either.

Yes, I would agree. My grandfather had celiac disease before it was widely recognized. So he suffered for years and I honestly think his developing diabetes late in his life, along with some of the neurological problems, was related to going for decades with undiagnosed celiac disease. It was only several years before he died that he was diagnosed. I can remember the last time he visited the only grain he could eat was oatmeal and those rice cakes looked so unappetizing.

And they didn't even call it a gluten allergy then. Grandma just said he couldn't eat wheat any more, just oatmeal and rice, so he got rice cakes instead of toast in the morning. Poor guy.

 

[LAKid53]

Mine aren't super severe either; I've just got a lot of them. But I do carry an epi pen. Pineapple is my worst one. I can't be in the same room with it, let alone eat it. But there are people who have it worse than I do with food allergies.

My mom's side of the family is the history of asthma, so I get the DNA thing. My mom, her sister, both of her parents, about three or four cousins, my mom's maternal grandmother...

My brother is like you in that he has barely any allergies and no asthma. Weird how it can affect one sibling but not the other. But he has autism, so he doesn't exactly have it easy either.

Pineapple - now that's an interest food allergy. I wonder if it's the enzyme in the fruit - the reason you never use fresh pineapple in jello.

 

[Jane Doe]

Why, because 'Merica.

The right to bear an avoidable disease is what made Murica great.

 

[LAKid53]

The right to bear an avoidable disease is what made Murica great.

And thinned out the population on occasion...

 

[gljvd]

I understand for these parents that have autistic children that is scary and of course its easier to blame someone or something other than yourself but we have to move past that. Just because your child has Autism doesn't allow you to spread miss information about systems that keep us safe.

I wish these people would blame something like car emissions or the new pesticides that encase the seed and stay in the plants for generations. At least then when they rally for lower emission cars and better safer pesticides we get progress and not regression.

There is so much that we do every day and have no idea how it effects us. Lead in fuels was a huge problem and there are studies out there that not only did it absorb into bones , teach and bloo but it caused kidney problems , nervous system problems and inhibits IQ. Some have even linked it to the rising crime rates. It goes that a few decades after lead based fuels was introduced into the world crime rates went up but 20 years after it was banned crime started to reduce and kept falling in numbers. If you look at England they removed lead later than the USA and they had the same 20 year trend of crime starting to go down.

The point is we do so much without caring about the long term effects of what we are doing. We as a group tend look at the dollar signs and then figure we will clean up any problems later on.

But I'm part of the first generation that the world health orginizations think will not out live the previous generation. That is the first time in American history (filtering out wars). I find it scary with fast food , pollution and new pesticides. Its scary but whats scary is something that worked so well is being made a boogie man and a scape goat .

 

[LAKid53]

What interests me is the media in all of this. I never really believed the liberal media bs that rushlimba likes to go on about. But its interesting to me that Ebola got round the day news coverage on all stations. That is a desiease that affects at a 1:1 ratio while the measles can effect at a 1:20 ratio.

I understand for these parents that have autistic children that is scary and of course its easier to blame someone or something other than yourself but we have to move past that. Just because your child has Autism doesn't allow you to spread miss information about systems that keep us safe.

I wish these people would blame something like car emissions or the new pesticides that encase the seed and stay in the plants for generations. At least then when they rally for lower emission cars and better safer pesticides we get progress and not regression.

There is so much that we do every day and have no idea how it effects us. Lead in fuels was a huge problem and there are studies out there that not only did it absorb into bones , teach and bloo but it caused kidney problems , nervous system problems and inhibits IQ. Some have even linked it to the rising crime rates. It goes that a few decades after lead based fuels was introduced into the world crime rates went up but 20 years after it was banned crime started to reduce and kept falling in numbers. If you look at England they removed lead later than the USA and they had the same 20 year trend of crime starting to go down.

The point is we do so much without caring about the long term effects of what we are doing. We as a group tend look at the dollar signs and then figure we will clean up any problems later on.

But I'm part of the first generation that the world health orginizations think will not out live the previous generation. That is the first time in American history (filtering out wars). I find it scary with fast food , pollution and new pesticides. Its scary but whats scary is something that worked so well is being made a boogie man and a scape goat .

According to initial research reported by the autism center at our university, there is some thought that events occurring in utero, like the mother having flu or flu like illness may be a causal factor in autism. It's sad that we are just now understanding that the chemicals we spread on our soil, pump into our air and dump in our bodies of water have long lasting effects on our health and the health of future generations, plainly put, our ability to thrive and survive as a species. And petrochemicals are the worst. It's unfortunate that books like Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring" aren't required reading in public school.

 

[xdan0920]

Antivaxxers. What on earth are they thinking? or, actually not doing much thinking. Actually....I can't comment because It will turn ugly and I'll be left with warning points.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Antivaxxers. What on earth are they thinking? or, actually not doing much thinking. Actually....I can't comment because It will turn ugly and I'll be left with warning points.

And likes.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I had the MMR vaccine, not measles the disease. I have asthma, so if I had the disease, I'd be dead.

I'm opposed to requiring vaccines when there may be a valid medical reason behind not getting one. I agree that everyone who can get vaccines should get one. But I think that the few who cannot get vaccinated because the vaccine is more dangerous to them than the disease should still be allowed to keep their jobs. Reassign them to a place where they will have less contact with the public if you are that worried.

You keep sayings his like there is some rather large contingent of the population unable to safely be vaccinated. Diseases were able to be eradicated because that is such a small group of people.

 

[Gomer]

According to initial research reported by the autism center at our university, there is some thought that events occurring in utero, like the mother having flu or flu like illness may be a causal factor in autism. It's sad that we are just now understanding that the chemicals we spread on our soil, pump into our air and dump in our bodies of water have long lasting effects on our health and the health of future generations, plainly put, our ability to thrive and survive as a species. And petrochemicals are the worst. It's unfortunate that books like Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring" aren't required reading in public school.

Funny you say that, because the argument that people make for autism being "caused" by vaccines is really just the same fear...misunderstood. If you get past the nuts like Jenny McCarthy, the complaint of many with autism isn't that vaccines cause autism, but that autism causes people to have trouble expelling toxins of any sort from their body. Toxins like chemicals, pesticides, air pollution, and vaccines.

Now before anyone jumps on me, my son is fully vaccinated as I agree that vaccination is more important than the possible negative impacts. But the issue isn't that I think vaccines caused my son's autism, but that he clearly has trouble processing them (as well as processed food and other toxins). After every vaccine he gets high fevers and is sick for days often showing symptoms of the disease. He has also shown serious signs of regression on multiple occasions after doctors' visits with multiple vaccines, once even ceasing all communicative language for an extended period of time after battling a 104 fever for 3 days following a visit with 6 or 7 vaccines at once.

It is for these reasons that I try to balance responsibility to society with my son's well being. I only vaccinate him in the summer when his immune system is at its strongest. Make sure he is pumped full of vitamin C & D,clear of any illness. We feed him only organic food 90% of the time. These things have made a strong positive impact in his physical well being.

The point of this is that, people tend to concentrate on lunatics like Jenny McCarthy but misunderstand the actual fears that intelligent and concerned people have with the vaccination schedule. These people are not arguing for the removal of vaccines, but instead to look at the vaccinations and see what can be done to improve them. I think the vaccination schedule is over-aggressive. You shouldn't be subjected to vaccines like Hep B within 24 hours of birth. You shouldn't be forced to take vaccine cocktails like MMR just to save Merck money on production. But concepts like this are lost because people plant flags on opposite ends and ignore that there could still be improvements made in the way we vaccinate children. But no one wants to discuss that, because its easier to attack the lunatics than to make comprehensive improvements to a complicated multi-industry vaccination program.

 

[Matt_Black]

Short version is that while there MAY (and that is a very, VERY big may) be a correlation between vaccines and autism, correlation DOES NOT mean "causation".

 

[gljvd]

you do know that the shot is a weakened virus . That way your body fights a half dead virus and learns how to make the right antibodies and how to attack it vs trying to fight off a healthy virus. That is why your son is showing signs of the virus in his system.

Hepatitis B is a 24 hour vaccine for a simple reason , the virus is transmitted by exposure to infectious blood or body fluids. It happens mostly around birth and in childhood. A new born has a very weak immune system and is in a hospital where there are many children being born on an hourly basis and thus a lot more risk of exposure to hepatitis B. It takes up to half a year for symptoms to begin and then of course the symptoms can be from anything for the first couple of days after that. So unless we are going to screen people with daily blood tests its impossible to know who has it and anyone at the hospital can have it.

There are up to 350m people who have hepatitis B and 3 quarters of a million people die each year from it.

If you can show me studies that link vacciene cocktails and the spacing of the shot schedule with autism I'd love to read them because I haven't heard of any real studies on it.

Lets not forget that the original paper (that was fraudulent ) that started Jenny and the anti vaxers going was based on the assumption that mercury was the problem in the vaccienes now its gone and people have now changed the goal posts to aluminum and the amount of shots in a short period.

The aluminum is there to stimulate your body into attacking it earlier and with much more deadly force. But its okay because the amount in a shot is tiny, you put more into your body each day using deodorant (since its a major active ingredient in deodorant)

 

[flynnibus]

But not all medical exemptions are based on a weakened immune system. Should someone who can't get the MMR vaccine because they are allergic to it not be allowed to work at WDW? I don't think that's fair.

Like I said, good option for CMs. But it should not be required.

If you arent medically fit to do the job... Then you cant do the job. You dont put eveyone at risk just to be 'fair' to someone. You work a job to do the jobs requirements... Not the other way around

 

[jakeman]

Short version is that while there MAY (and that is a very, VERY big may) be a correlation between vaccines and autism, correlation DOES NOT mean "causation".

The correlation between vaccines and autism is about the same as birth and autism.

No caveats are needed when describing the relationship between vaccines and autism, because there is none.