xdan0920
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That is what I am suggesting. I guess we will see.
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That is what I am suggesting. I guess we will see.
LSLS
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So, I don't know quite a lot on tickets. But didn't tickets used to never expire? Then they made the option to keep tickets from expiring as an additional fee?
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
I'm not really talking about the price of the new "flexible" ticket. Of course that will be more expensive than the current (included) flexible ticket. I'm only predicting that a new UNflexible ticket in a low-demand time will be cheaper than the current (included) flexible ticket.
LSLS
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Right. But my point is don't we have a base to look at for something like this? One year, tickets did not expire. They then decided tickets would only be valid for 1 year, and you could pay an upcharge to make them non-expiring. Did the tickets that expired in 1 year drop in price?
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
No, the analogy doesn't hold.
The analogy would work if Disney were only changing from flexible dates to specific dates. In that case, you're right. The flexible date upcharge would not come with a decrease in price of the base ticket. On average, that's true. Average ticket price will be higher, plus the upcharge to make your tickets flexible.
However Disney is making a second change. Not only do you have to pick your dates, the dates also have date-specific pricing. Disney is specifically advertising VALUE dates.
I'm suggesting something like this:
Current: 5 day park hopper, $460, flexible dates
Future: 5 day park hopper $500 average, no flexibility. $600 for flexible dates
All I'm saying is that the $500 average in the new structure might consist of some dates that are $400, others that are $600, and everything in between. People visiting during the $400 time would see a price decrease from the current $460.
LSLS
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Ok, fair point, I see what you mean now. We will see. I (with tons I'm sure) took down where prices currently are. Will be interesting to see how they change. My guess is they go from where they currently are to substantially more, but we will see.
When I am making my dining reservations I always call and they will give me the park hours and what parks have extra magic hours, even though it’s not posted yet. Yes it’s a stupid pain but at least I have the information I need.
Some sources are stating that a few prices may go down, but most will rise.
Brad Bishop
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Whereas the internet worked against travel companies, I could see this type of planning actually working in their favor.
Call them up and say, "I just want to go during the last week of October. I want to eat at X, Y, & Z and ride A, B, & C.. <sigh> Just make it happen"
They're not quite there yet but with paid fast passes and some travel-agent back-door to these things, or even a ranking so that if you're going through a travel agent you get priority over the guys using the site but maybe not Disney's travel...
The days of just going there and having fun and then leaving are over, though.
flynnibus
Premium Member
I'd bet that they'll simply raise the other prices... while keeping the value tickets near the current price. No point in lowering them if you simply raise everything around them. Maybe they lower 2-3 weeks a year just to say they did... but even money says they stay close to the same at best.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Or... 'Disney is specifically advertising premium dates' - and luring you into picking others by way of comparison.
DougK
Well-Known Member
I guess "just going there and having fun" did not poll well in their surveys.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
You joke, but probably not. With the exception of locals, most people planning a WDW vacation have been planning their WDW vacation for decades. The tools have changed, for sure. My family had the "clipboard of fun." Then spreadsheets. Then My Disney Experience. But people were planning in great detail long before Disney every "forced" them to.
Regarding this particular change, it's really not complicated. Your resort price was already dependent on when you travel. This doesn't add any complexity to that, it just magnifies the price difference between peak times and value times.
RSoxNo1
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What are the odds Disney fixes the guest connection functionality on MDE as well?
While I don't think there's any indication the new ticketing system will result in this, I could definitely see it as justification to eliminate Fastpass+. If Fastpass+ was internally sold as a means of forecasting crowds and scheduling, so too would this new ticketing system. If the trade off is an elimination of Fastpass+, sign me up.
While I don't think there's any indication the new ticketing system will result in this, I could definitely see it as justification to eliminate Fastpass+. If Fastpass+ was internally sold as a means of forecasting crowds and scheduling, so too would this new ticketing system. If the trade off is an elimination of Fastpass+, sign me up.
Lensman
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I'm previously on record speculating with no insider information that its a good possibility that this will happen.
But I've also been looking through historical pricing to see if this has happened before and I couldn't find any corroboration at WDW. I don't think prices went down when the standard WDW annual pass went from "without restricted dates" to "date-restricted". But if you can find the exact price change for that and post it I'd appreciate it.
What I did find was that for Disneyland annual passes, the introduction of the date-restricted "Select"/"Deluxe" annual pass was cheaper than the original standard/"Premium" annual pass for two years after their introduction.
Resident:
Nonresident:
I'm sure it could be argued that the date-restricted annual pass was a different product from the original annual pass, but I think the same could be said to be true of the new date-restricted multi-day passes. To be clear, I'm saying that is it possible that the prices of a low-season date-restricted multi-day pass *might* be lower than current price of the equivalent non-date-restricted multi-day pass that I would have to buy today. **
* data from http://www.mousemonthly.com/ultimate-disney-guides/disneyland-resort-annual-passes/ap-price-history/
** Also of note between the deluxe and premium is maybe parking and some perks? I haven't done the exhaustive research on this because I think the point is that Disney did create a cheaper option in 2002/2004 when only the expensive option was available in 2000/2002.
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biggy H
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The vast majority of people going to WDW will already have fixed dates picked so this change in pricing or buying tickets won't cause any issues. They will put in their dates and just buy the tickets they want from those available. They certainly won't be trying to find the cheapest time, ticket wise, to book.
kong1802
Well-Known Member
They might after they see the price ....
Rick_H
New Member
Sounds complicated, more onerous and definitely more costly for me and family. As LoNG distance travellers from Vancouver, Canada we visit orlando area for roughly 2 weeks each visit. 5 visits thus far. Typically we buy a 7-8 day pass to use over the two weeks. Now seems we will have to pay extra $50/ head to do the same. 5 in our family! Geesh thanks Disney. How does a 10 day window now make managing logistics so vastly superior to justify punishing long-stay customers such as us, who used to have 14 days? I'm disappointed.
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