Disney to announce overhaul of DL Tomorrowland at D23?

Phroobar

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Do you think the Disneyland railroad and riverboat suck?
The Disneyland railroad and Main Street and red car vehicles actually goes to places so they considered park transportation. The Riverboat had scenery. The People Mover when through dark tunnels slowly. Granted, it was great place to make out if you don't care to be watched by the cast members.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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The Disneyland railroad and Main Street and red car vehicles actually goes to places so they considered park transportation. The Riverboat had scenery. The People Mover when through dark tunnels slowly. Granted, it was great place to make out if you don't care to be watched by the cast members.
The riverboats scenery is the same as the peoplemovers.... the lands that it travels through and a few scenes you can only see from the attraction.

As for making out in the tunnels... yes. Many fond memories on such “slow moving attractions” :p
 

D.Silentu

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The Disneyland railroad and Main Street and red car vehicles actually goes to places so they considered park transportation.
Absolutely, and these examples are all period appropriate to the lands they belong to. A resurrected People Mover would no longer look like it belonged to the future. For all their faults, the Rocket Rods did appear to belong in their surroundings. I'd love to see something like a successor to them, but it seems like there are too many roadblocks on that path.
 

mickEblu

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One idea is they could kill two birds with one stone by making a thrill ride version of Autopia the new “peoplemover/ Rocket Rods” with futuristic “flying” cars overhead. Not sure how that’s accomplished. The flying gimmick isn’t necessary but would be cool. With this idea you get the kinetic energy through the land and you also don’t lose a classic Disney attraction even if it would be unrecognizable. It would be nice for imagineers to pay homage to the classic attraction.
 

Phroobar

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One idea is they could kill two birds with one stone by making a thrill ride version of Autopia the new “peoplemover/ Rocket Rods” with futuristic “flying” cars overhead. Not sure how that’s accomplished. The flying gimmick isn’t necessary but would be cool. With this idea you get the kinetic energy through the land and you also don’t lose a classic Disney attraction even if it would be unrecognizable. It would be nice for imagineers to pay homage to the classic attraction.
That's a good idea. The cars could be on a center tube making it look like they are floating from below. The Autopia could have lots of levels and banked curves. They could even spin out. Basically it's a modern version of the Steeplechase Coaster but you don't see the tube.

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Better idea than a bumpy slow nap ride for "nostalgia".
 

mickEblu

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That's a good idea. The cars could be on a center tube making it look like they are floating from below. The Autopia could have lots of levels and banked curves. They could even spin out. Basically it's a modern version of the Steeplechase Coaster but you don't see the tube.

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Better idea than a bumpy slow nap ride for "nostalgia".

Thanks I think they could make it work. If they can make the mountains “float” in Pandora I figure there has to be a way to make the cars “fly.” A little more of a challenge of course as you’d have supports in addition to a good majority of the track being exposed outdoors. Regardless, doesn’t sound like something they would attempt these days.
 

Phroobar

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Thanks I think they could make it work. If they can make the mountains “float” in Pandora I figure there has to be a way to make the cars “fly.” A little more of a challenge of course as you’d have supports in addition to a good majority of the track being exposed outdoors. Regardless, doesn’t sound like something they would attempt these days.
What's cool about this is RSRs and Test Track use a center tube that powers the car. The car above just rides the powered mechanism underneath. It's not beyond imagination to have the car attached to a pole above the road as if flying. The actual driving mechanism under the road.
 

mickEblu

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What's cool about this is RSRs and Test Track use a center tube that powers the car. The car above just rides the powered mechanism underneath. It's not beyond imagination to have the car attached to a pole above the road as if flying. The actual driving mechanism under the road.

I don’t think it’s beyond imagination either. I guess in this scenario though I’m wondering what the purpose of elevated tracks overhead would be if the car is going to be barely hovering above them? I was thinking more along the lines of disguising the supports and tracks somehow.
 
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Disney Irish

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What's cool about this is RSRs and Test Track use a center tube that powers the car. The car above just rides the powered mechanism underneath. It's not beyond imagination to have the car attached to a pole above the road as if flying. The actual driving mechanism under the road.
Why even do all that when you can have actual "flying" cars using MagLev, heck Japan has had MagLev trains since the 80s. It is possible today to have an actual "flying" car that floats above a roadway, we just don't have the infrastructure for it. So given the "rather" small footprint of Tomorrowland it wouldn't be too expensive to create a magnetic roadway that the "flying" cars float over.

So not only would it be futuristic but it would be cool looking too. Now all we need is to have Honda, Toyota, Tesla, or one of the many other car companies sponsor it with some funding and we have our "Autopia in the Sky".
 

DrAlice

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Why even do all that when you can have actual "flying" cars using MagLev, heck Japan has had MagLev trains since the 80s. It is possible today to have an actual "flying" car that floats above a roadway, we just don't have the infrastructure for it. So given the "rather" small footprint of Tomorrowland it wouldn't be too expensive to create a magnetic roadway that the "flying" cars float over.

So not only would it be futuristic but it would be cool looking too. Now all we need is to have Honda, Toyota, Tesla, or one of the many other car companies sponsor it with some funding and we have our "Autopia in the Sky".
I always thought it would be cool to drive electric autopia cars on a charging highway. If they combined part of the current autopia roadway with an above-ground level highway and incorporated a futuristic charging road, that would be cool. It would add movement, be kid friendly, and have a little bit of tomorrow. Of course, this requires a complete redesign of the land. You can't reuse the peoplemover tracks for this.

I loved the DL PeopleMover. I love the WDW version. I know they will never come back to DL. I just want movement and energy back in the land! I'd be happy to see some new iteration. At this point, however, I don't see Disney doing anything in TL this decade. I hope I'm wrong.
 

el_super

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I think it naturally draws a lot of criticism because it seems like the most obvious candidate for investment, yet there's been next to nothing done with it for decades.

Part of that has just been nostalgia driven reluctance to change what's already there.

In the last two decades, Tomorrowland has probably received the most attention of any land at Disneyland: Buzz Lightyear (2004), New Space Mountain (2005), New Submarine Voyage (2007), New Monorails (2008), New (LoL) Captain EO (2009), New Star Tours (2011), Star Wars Launch Bay (2015), New Autopia (2017), Alien Pizza Planet (2018). They've spent a lot of upgrading and changing Tomorrowland, but it doesn't feel like it, because all mostly just the same stuff that was already there.

If they are going to create a bold new Tomorrowland, it's time to bulldoze the thing to the ground and start completely new. Nothing tied back to the old. Nothing clinging to the past. No Submarines, No Monorail, No Autopia.

They won't though, because there is almost zero need to be bold.
 

el_super

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The riverboats scenery is the same as the peoplemovers....

You know... aside from all the black painted walls.

I think it best not to compare the PeopleMover to other rides and mostly just compare it to benches. In that regard it was one of the best benches in the park. Great way to pull out your map, figure out what you want to do next and regroup.
 

Phroobar

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I don’t think it’s beyond imagination either. I guess in this scenario though I’m wondering what the purpose of elevated tracks overhead would be if the car is going to be barely hovering above them? I was thinking more along the lines of disguising the supports and tracks somehow.
They could do what the fx team did on Star Wars when making the land speeder float. They could hide the wheels/supports with mirrors.

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Ismael Flores

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It would visually be the biggest disaster in the park’s history. I don’t think many people realize just how bad it would be.
I just can't Imagine how they would hide such a huge structure and building. The ride is way to short already and takes too much real estate. The only way I think it would work is if they completely demolished most of tomorrowland except Space mountain. Rebuild everything from scratch and then have some track portions be integrated into new buildings similar to the way they did the people mover years back.

Looking at pictures from the WDW Tron at how visible it is from outside the park and overpowering the view i could only imagine how visually offensive it would be for the whole resort unless they are planning on digging down and burying most of the building.
 

No Name

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I just can't Imagine how they would hide such a huge structure and building. The ride is way to short already and takes too much real estate. The only way I think it would work is if they completely demolished most of tomorrowland except Space mountain. Rebuild everything from scratch and then have some track portions be integrated into new buildings similar to the way they did the people mover years back.

Looking at pictures from the WDW Tron at how visible it is from outside the park and overpowering the view i could only imagine how visually offensive it would be for the whole resort unless they are planning on digging down and burying most of the building.
Yeah not only is it a terribly short ride, but there’s a break run after just about every other turn so it never really gets going before it just ends. Also, story-wise you’re vaguely supposed to be trying to cut off the orange lightcycles or avoid getting cut off by them like in the movie, which would’ve been a great concept for two dueling coasters, especially with the real estate they’re already using up. And finally, from below the canopy and from on the coaster itself you have a direct view of the show building, which has no place in the vague story of the ride. Everyone sees this view in pictures:
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because nobody finds this one very pleasant to photograph:
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I mean imagine how bad this view looks for the people down below who are literally entering the queue. The canopy stops hiding the building whenever you’re in the vicinity of the ride!

The one condolence is that here there wouldn't be nearly as many views from outside of the park to worry about. I sound like a theme park sap but I’d say the views from the MK lagoon area were some of the best ever created and Tron puts such a dent in that, and it’s highly unfortunate.
 

Phroobar

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Yeah not only is it a terribly short ride, but there’s a break run after just about every other turn so it never really gets going before it just ends. Also, story-wise you’re vaguely supposed to be trying to cut off the orange lightcycles or avoid getting cut off by them like in the movie, which would’ve been a great concept for two dueling coasters, especially with the real estate they’re already using up. And finally, from below the canopy and from on the coaster itself you have a direct view of the show building, which has no place in the vague story of the ride. Everyone sees this view in pictures:

because nobody finds this one very pleasant to photograph:

I mean imagine how bad this view looks for the people down below who are literally entering the queue. The canopy stops hiding the building whenever you’re in the vicinity of the ride!

The one condolence is that here there wouldn't be nearly as many views from outside of the park to worry about. I sound like a theme park sap but I’d say the views from the MK lagoon area were some of the best ever created and Tron puts such a dent in that, and it’s highly unfortunate.
Your idea of a dueling TRON coaster is a great idea. I'll have to bring that up in our next Imagineering meeting.
 

shambolicdefending

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There likely is room to squeeze a Shanghai-sized Tron attraction into Anaheim if you wipe out the whole Buzz Lightyear building (including the Galactic Grill), the Launch Bay, the PM tracks, the stupid Observatron, basically everything through and along the north side of the main corridor. Pixie Hollow might have to go, too.

It would still be a tight fit, but the square footage is there - as estimated with some Google Earth and PhotoShop comparisons. How that would all work aesthetically is for people more artistic than me to worry about. But, I sense that most people would be happy to trade Buzz and the Launch Bay for another D or E-ticket coaster.

What would make way more sense to me, though, is if they eventually incorporated Tron into DCA, maybe by putting it over top of the current shuttle bus area once the Eastern Gateway is done.
 

britain

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They can fit Tron in if they just reimagine its scale. Double-track Space Mountain from Florida wouldn't fit in DL, so it became single-track and partially underground.

What if DL Tron was mostly an outdoor attraction, maybe using some of the Peoplemover / Rocket Rods route and the only indoor portion was the carousel building area for launch and finale? Yes, it would feel different from the other Tron attractions, but this is sort of what Disney does when it brings attractions to different parks – remember?
 

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