Disney Sued Over Tower of Terror Ride

[kcw]

ToT isn't just a free-fall drop. It pulls you down faster than the speed of gravity. Not saying that definitely proves the medical questions here, but it's one distinction that comes to mind for me.

From what I've heard, that's a misconception. Someone once explained it to me, and heck if I remember all the scientific reasoning, but basically they word the description in a way that makes you think that, but technically it's not really faster than the speed of gravity. :shrug:

 

[dandaman]

^And even more technically it's "acceleration due to gravity" (or 9.8 m/s^2) because "speed of gravity" refers to how fast the affect of gravity is transferred between two objects, but that's getting a little nitpicky. :lookaroun

 

[Kamikaze]

From what I've heard, that's a misconception. Someone once explained it to me, and heck if I remember all the scientific reasoning, but basically they word the description in a way that makes you think that, but technically it's not really faster than the speed of gravity. :shrug:

Yes, it goes go down faster than just a drop. The ride vehicle is pulled down, not simply dropped.

 

[hardcard]

The entire argument can be summed-up in one post.


1. Disney is not a Medical Treatment Facility

2. Regardless of the validity of the womans 'behaviour', Walt Disney World is PRIVATE PROPERTY and they have the right by law to disallow ANYONE Access WITHOUT reason.

3. ANY pass or article received from Disney states that they can revoke it at any time without cause or reason..

I think the woman would be best lobbying a company that manufacturers rehabilitation devices, to make a similar device only intended for medical use.. As absurd as that sounds, that's the reality of what she has to deal with.. Disney is not liable for acts of god that rendered her 'sick'....

She's just taking advantage of the situation because she thinks she can finally cash-in on her illness...


And before you judge my 'judgement' of her... Remember, Disney is a publically traded company, which means many investors (share holders), including myself are 100% entitled to their opinion, and mine is that the woman is fishing for (my) money..

:slurp:

 

[Figment632]

The U.S has become way to politicaly correct and people like her take advantage of it!

 

[The_CEO]

I think this ladies best method of treatment would be to visit Zero G, which is a company that takes citizens on a nice ride in a 747 through the air giving the sensation of weightlessness. I'm not sure which part of the experience on ToT actually helps her but like HardCard said, private property, has the right to revoke anyone's pass or rights to visit. She sounds like she turned into a nuisance. Sorry to hear she has a medical condition but there had to be a larger reason disney pulled her pass.

 

[teebin]

The entire argument can be summed-up in one post.


1. Disney is not a Medical Treatment Facility

2. Regardless of the validity of the womans 'behaviour', Walt Disney World is PRIVATE PROPERTY and they have the right by law to disallow ANYONE Access WITHOUT reason.

3. ANY pass or article received from Disney states that they can revoke it at any time without cause or reason..

I think the woman would be best lobbying a company that manufacturers rehabilitation devices, to make a similar device only intended for medical use.. As absurd as that sounds, that's the reality of what she has to deal with.. Disney is not liable for acts of god that rendered her 'sick'....

She's just taking advantage of the situation because she thinks she can finally cash-in on her illness...


And before you judge my 'judgement' of her... Remember, Disney is a publically traded company, which means many investors (share holders), including myself are 100% entitled to their opinion, and mine is that the woman is fishing for (my) money..

:slurp:

Hear hear! I was thinking this while reading through all of these posts. Mostly the fact that WDW is in no way a Medical Facility and not obligated as such.

Bungy jump by your neck instead of feet... should have the same effect... maybe, sorta, kinda... sorta. Much cheaper too. :wave:

(and who is the goon that posted that he/she works the attraction and has an opinion as other employees moved to another attraction and the new people didn't know the situation. Do you understand that such text opens you to a subpoena for her side... you will end up needing a lawyer yourself) I would recommend you edit your post and delete the text soon.)

 

[Animaniac93-98]

The U.S has become way to politicaly correct and people like her take advantage of it!

How DARE you post such unPC smut on this board!

You should have said:

"The United But Free To Act Differently Union of North American Based States is in my opinion becoming much more aware of our differences and people are enjoying the accepting of this."

next time think before you post such horrendous comments or request Song of the South on DVD!

 

[Figment632]

How DARE you post such unPC smut on this board!

You should have said:

"The United But Free To Act Differently Union of North American Based States is in my opinion becoming much more aware of our differences and people are enjoying the accepting of this."

next time think before you post such horrendous comments or request Song of the South on DVD!

LOL I'll be more careful next time I don't think you're allowed to even say Song of the South any more

 

[jeffk410]

ga

isnt this the third time?:brick:

 

[yankspy]

I remember this. I believe this woman is or was a member. I remember the one thread where she sort of popped up after a couple of pages and told her side. Things got a little weird after that.

 

[GoofyFan1]

How DARE you post such unPC smut on this board!

You should have said:

"The United But Free To Act Differently Union of North American Based States is in my opinion becoming much more aware of our differences and people are enjoying the accepting of this."

next time think before you post such horrendous comments or request Song of the South on DVD!

:ROFLOL::ROFLOL::lookaroun:ROFLOL::ROFLOL:

 

[disneydata]

I remember this. I believe this woman is or was a member. I remember the one thread where she sort of popped up after a couple of pages and told her side. Things got a little weird after that.

*looks around* :lookaroun

 

[Pseybert]

Free Fall in Great Adventure is around too, if she wants to try that out.

Well, actually, it's not.

 

[kimmychad]

Unless you know this woman and her situation, don't be so quick to judge like most of you do on a lot of other things here.

As a Tower bellhop, I can say there was no problem with anything she was doing until CMs who didn't know her or her situation (one mostly worked at Coaster, the other Toy Story picking up a shift after she transfered from sunset) started to question her. She did this for several years before anyone had any problems with her and the situation. Wonder why it took so long to bring it up if it was such a big problem with management???

I guess I'm wondering why anyone would have to be aware of her situation. shouldn't all guests be treated the same, regardless of how well you know them?

it sounds like a couple cms that she befriended over the years were doing her favors and when someone who wasn't hip to the situation came along and said something the lady freaked out.

she should have just walked away that day knowing her friends would be back tomorrow or next week or whatever.

 

[Slipknot]

I guess I'm wondering why anyone would have to be aware of her situation. shouldn't all guests be treated the same, regardless of how well you know them?

it sounds like a couple cms that she befriended over the years were doing her favors and when someone who wasn't hip to the situation came along and said something the lady freaked out.

she should have just walked away that day knowing her friends would be back tomorrow or next week or whatever.

She did not freak out, I was there that day. She left and tried to get her money back for her AP she just bought, but Disney wouldn't refund her money. And the whole "swearing in front of other guests"... I get cursed at by guests all the time and a lot in front of the managers who don't do ____ about it. It all wasn't on the same day, though. She came back twice in the two weeks after the second CM questioned her. The first week after, she just rode once (through the fast pass line...). The second time she didn't even ride it because the manager, in her (the managers) words, was going to take her to see the "park" manager to come to an agreement for the situation (a bold faced lie), which did not happen. I wasn't there (guest relations), so I can't say whether she swore or not, but she never swore at anyone when she was questioned at Tower before the day she was accused of it.

What I don't get is when a guest has an ECV and exclaims they "can't walk that far/stand that long" who can ride as much as they want doing what she was doing with no questions asked. Disney wanted to limit her use in the fast pass line when anyone else with a Guest Assistance Card can go on a ride unlimited times. I don't get it. What was so wrong about what she was doing when she wasn't even a problem. Most of those people on the ECVs on the other hand were/are more of a problem than she ever was.

 

[Club Cooloholic]

The entire argument can be summed-up in one post.


1. Disney is not a Medical Treatment Facility

2. Regardless of the validity of the womans 'behaviour', Walt Disney World is PRIVATE PROPERTY and they have the right by law to disallow ANYONE Access WITHOUT reason.

3. ANY pass or article received from Disney states that they can revoke it at any time without cause or reason..

I think the woman would be best lobbying a company that manufacturers rehabilitation devices, to make a similar device only intended for medical use.. As absurd as that sounds, that's the reality of what she has to deal with.. Disney is not liable for acts of god that rendered her 'sick'....

She's just taking advantage of the situation because she thinks she can finally cash-in on her illness...


And before you judge my 'judgement' of her... Remember, Disney is a publically traded company, which means many investors (share holders), including myself are 100% entitled to their opinion, and mine is that the woman is fishing for (my) money..

:slurp:

Well put. I think a walk through the park would cure a lot of depressives, don't think it's going to be covered by anyone's HMO though.

People confuse a priviledge with a right.

 

[fosse76]

The entire argument can be summed-up in one post.

2. Regardless of the validity of the womans 'behaviour', Walt Disney World is PRIVATE PROPERTY and they have the right by law to disallow ANYONE Access WITHOUT reason.

FALSE. While Disney has the right to make its own policies, it must be in strict adherence to the law. It is a place of public accomodation, therefore it must be reasonable with its policies. They can't just simply make up any policy they want. Yes, they can ask people to leave who violate their policies, but as I said, the policies must be reasonable. Often times lawsuits are needed in order to determine if such a policy is reasonable.

3. ANY pass or article received from Disney states that they can revoke it at any time without cause or reason..

Technically true. However, if the revocation of the pass puts access to their attractions in non-compliance with the ADA, then they don't have a right to revoke it. And as above, often it takes a lawsuit to determine the validity of such acts.

I think the woman would be best lobbying a company that manufacturers rehabilitation devices, to make a similar device only intended for medical use.. As absurd as that sounds, that's the reality of what she has to deal with.. Disney is not liable for acts of god that rendered her 'sick'....

I only know a handful of people who could afford to build a ride system like the ToT...but I don't know anyone who had the space. I could jump off a garage roof and get the similar motion of drop...but it's not exactly the same thing.

She's just taking advantage of the situation because she thinks she can finally cash-in on her illness...

Maybe or maybe not. I know she is definitely asking to be able to return to the parks...something I don't consider to be cashing in on. However, she wouldn't really be entitled to financial damages, so unless a judge/jury decide Disney was completely wrong to ban her and award her a punitive judgment, I don't see her collecting any actual money.

And before you judge my 'judgement' of her... Remember, Disney is a publically traded company, which means many investors (share holders), including myself are 100% entitled to their opinion, and mine is that the woman is fishing for (my) money..

:slurp:

You can judge her but we can't judge you? While I am sure she warranted removal from the park that day, I will not argue that she is fishing for money. You don't know that. Not everyone who sues is fishing for money. It's absurd that a lot of people on this board automatically turn Disney into the innocent company when they are sued. Lawsuits, essentially, are a system of justice. To determine the truth and to right a wrong. The facts are known. This isn't frivolous...on its face. I bet if you were banned by Disney (stockholder or not) you'd be in court faster than the acceleration due to gravity.

And to another poster, gravity is a force, therefore it has no speed. It has an acceleration factor.

 

[pintraderpayee]

What I don't get is when a guest has an ECV and exclaims they "can't walk that far/stand that long" who can ride as much as they want doing what she was doing with no questions asked. Disney wanted to limit her use in the fast pass line when anyone else with a Guest Assistance Card can go on a ride unlimited times. I don't get it. What was so wrong about what she was doing when she wasn't even a problem. Most of those people on the ECVs on the other hand were/are more of a problem than she ever was.

My DS is visually impaired and he always gets a Guest Assistance Card, but he is not allowed to ride unlimited times. He gets back in the standby or fastpass (with regular fastpass ticket) queue to wait with everyone else. The only benefit he needs and receives is sitting in the front and having three friends/family members with him. The only exception is at the shows where he is allowed to enter in the wheelchair lane and approx. 15 friend/family members are allowed to sit with him in the front. He has had to deal with guests screaming at him or us (while walking in the wheelchair lane) that he "doesn't look blind."
He has to show medical or physical proof that he is VI to get the card. It is not given just because he says so.
The vast majority of people with a Guest Assistance Card are only there to enjoy WDW to the best of their ability, not to take advantage.

"gets off soapbox"

 

[Phonedave]

So you feel that McDonald's should serve a product that can cause third-degree burns after only ten seconds of skin contact? The woman in that case was in the hospital for 8 days and required a skin graft. What made that case stand out was the amount of punitive damages (a little over $2 million). Technically, the point of punitive damages is to punish the company and make them think twice about their actions. The woman apparently attempted to settle several times (for less than $300,000) but McDonald's refused, and ultimately ended up paying somewhere along the lines of $500,000. Where they totallyresponsible? No, she had culpability as well, but it was their product that did the damage, so they bear some responsibility as well.

This one is favorite of mine. I HATE lawsuits that have no merit, but this is a different case. Not only is what you said true, but McD's had been asked by a number of people and groups to lower their temp on the coffee. There response was their coffee is not intended to be drank when you buy it. Their market research showed people take it in their cars, and the coffee was kept extra hot so that by they time they reached their desitination, the coffee would be "normal" temp.

The woman spilled to coffee on her pants, where it soaked in, causing thrid dregree burns to her whole crotch area - OK, its her fault it spilled, but it was an accident.

She initialy asked McD's to cover the portion of her medical bills that her insurance did not. McD's said, tough luck lady, not even a free Big Mac for you. That is when she dropped the lawsuit on them.

Yes, the decent thing to do is not to sue. The other decent thing to do is to pick up the co-pay of the woman who scarred her crotch with your lava hot coffee.

-dave