Disney springs not doing so well.....

[Hakunamatata]

here it comes guys... get ready for it...

"1 Million Dollars per Mile"

I am not sure how much these days. At this point it is cement, re-bar, tree clearing, electrification/automation wiring and electrical generator upgrades. How much does all that coast, I don't know.

Exactly. I am fairly certain Disney didnt arm chair quarterback the springs into existence. They very likely knew going into it there would be challenges that they would need to adapt to. They probably were very aware that people on the internet with absolutely no idea how to develope a place like this would be opining on how they could have done it better and top it off with a monorail.

Yes its fun to try to figure out how to do something better, but to declair failure this early in the game is a bit premature.....or is it immature, or both?

 

[21stamps]

How much would that monorail cost?

Rare merchandise that a very small % of people would buy would only make things worse.

There is just too much logic here. Too much. You can't be on the interwebs.

 

[Otterhead]

Especially if that wait is in the hot sun. And if that makes me privileged, then so be it.

That wait is not "in the hot sun". it's on a covered dock.

The concept of being angry at Disney for providing boats to take you around a shopping mall is just bizarre to me.

 

[Hakunamatata]

There is just too much logic here. Too much. You can't be on the interwebs.

Nah. Soon the accusations of Disney apologist and pixie dust snorter will overshadow the logic.

 

[willtravel]

Not trying to derail but was Pleasure Island a problem child, having dance/ bars for Disney? Is DS like City Walk now in UO (have never been there)?

 

[THECARISMINE]

Disney Springs, for what is was, was and is amazing. As for the busses, I actually feel like the bus placement is perfect, I had a much easier time getting around even from there location. My issue, as a visitor, was that I can shop and even eat at all (with the exception of a small few) of these new stores here at home. Overall I couldn't find a reason to struggle and make the luggage space. I completely expected this when it was announuced but I actually felt like I wasn't at Disney quite a few tmes while I was there. That and the buses were only running on the hour in August, which was another big turn off. As someone on vacation I just wasn't feeling how much the whole experience reminded me of being at home. I'm still unsure if I'll go out of my way for the marketplace and a drink at the Indy bar later this month when I'm down for the Christmas Party, but we'll see.

Not trying to derail but was Pleasure Island a problem child, having dance/ bars for Disney? Is DS like City Walk now in UO (have never been there)?

In my experience CityWalk was much more like Pleasure Island after a certian time... admittedly in contrast, between the two as a party spot, you'd expect to have way more of a blast over at CityWalk compared to Disney Springs. As for Disney property, I'm partial to Trader Sam's haha.

 

[21stamps]

Disney Springs, for what is was, was and is amazing. As for the busses, I actually feel like the bus placement is perfect, I had a much easier time getting around even from there location. My issue, as a visitor, was that I can shop and even eat at all (with the exception of a small few) of these new stores here at home. Overall I couldn't find a reason to struggle and make the luggage space. I completely expected this when it was announuced but I actually felt like I wasn't at Disney quite a few tmes while I was there. That and the buses were only running on the hour in August, which was another big turn off. As someone on vacation I just wasn't feeling how much the whole experience reminded me of being at home. I'm still unsure if I'll go out of my way for the marketplace and a drink at the Indy bar later this month when I'm down for the Christmas Party, but we'll see.

I think the personalized Toms look neat, definitely can't get those at home. I'm planning on buying a pair as a Christmas present for my sister...if we have time to make it there, still undecided on that.

Speaking of- The only way I really see us being able to do DS would be after our Animal Kingdom day. Has anyone done this? Will we have enough time?

 

[Hakunamatata]

I think the personalized Toms look neat, definitely can't get those at home. I'm planning on buying a pair as a Christmas present for my sister...if we have time to make it there, still undecided on that.

Speaking of- The only time I really see for DS would be after our Animal Kingdom day. Has anyone done this? Will we have enough time?

My recomendation would be to get a map of the springs in advance and plan on what you want to do. You could walk throu leisurely in an hour or so. Stopping off at a few stores and maybe grabbing a beverage or two would begin to fill an evening. Stopping and watching the dance party which starts at 7pm was something that took a bit of time as well. If you do the characters in flight or boatcar things that will take up time as well. There is live entertainment spread out throughout the springs as well.

 

[homerdance]

Assuming you are referencing these slides

We got Disney Burger, its D-Luxe burger
The Disney Bakery is Amorettes
Trader Sams went in the Poly, but Disney Springs got Jock's
They built food truck park.
I guess we got The Ganachery instead of Powell's.
Wine Bar George is coming next year.
I assume Blaze Pizza replaced Shake Shack.

Walt's Place may still be coming as part of The Edison development next year.

Other than character dining pretty much all of the original concepts on this slide did open.

With the stores slide, I don't see any interesting original concepts anyway. Many brands would be unique to Disney Springs in Florida, I don't think there is Topshop, Superdry, Uniqlo in many other places in the USA except larger cities. But the retail mix is similar to what the slide promised.

So, is there an American Girl store? I hope not, since that is the only reason we would be visiting if they do.

 

[Hakunamatata]

So, is there an American Girl store? I hope not, since that is the only reason we would be visiting if they do.

Not currently.

 

[Bandini]

That wait is not "in the hot sun". it's on a covered dock.

The concept of being angry at Disney for providing boats to take you around a shopping mall is just bizarre to me.

I think it is presumptuous to assume there is any anger being expressed here. I myself am ambivalent about DS, but certainly not angry.

 

[King Panda 77]

That wait is not "in the hot sun". it's on a covered dock.

The concept of being angry at Disney for providing boats to take you around a shopping mall is just bizarre to me.

The idea of waiting 10 minutes for a boat to take you somewhere you could easily stroll in that timescale is just bizzare to me.

 

[ABQ]

The idea of waiting 10 minutes for a boat to take you somewhere you could easily stroll in that timescale is just bizzare to me.

I agree, seems silly, however, I see how the lines at the Friendship docks on World Showcase Lagoon are all day long and thinks the same thing. People just seem to like riding boats.

 

[Otterhead]

The idea of waiting 10 minutes for a boat to take you somewhere you could easily stroll in that timescale is just bizzare to me.

The stroll is easy for me, as well. Given the many complaints here about having to walk in Disney Springs, I'd think a lovely water taxi to cart you around directly to the different areas of a mall would be welcome. But no, that's "convoluted". Some people simply cannot be happy.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

The idea of waiting 10 minutes for a boat to take you somewhere you could easily stroll in that timescale is just bizzare to me.

Really?!?

 

[Brian Swan]

I agree, seems silly, however, I see how the lines at the Friendship docks on World Showcase Lagoon are all day long and thinks the same thing. People just seem to like riding boats.

For people with some mobility issues (like my wife), they can be a godsend. We parked in the Orange garage (the only one open at the time) and slowly strolled the full length of DS, stopping for brunch at RR, occasionally rested on a bench, etc. But by the time we were finished in the Disney Days of Christmas, there was no way she was going to be able to walk all the way back to the orange garage without a great deal of pain. The water taxi saved the day. And even on solo trips I've taken them because they're kind of fun. And as a photographer, they definitely offer some angles that you can't get anywhere else...

 

[Bandini]

My issue, as a visitor, was that I can shop and even eat at all (with the exception of a small few) of these new stores here at home. Overall I couldn't find a reason to struggle and make the luggage space.

That's how I feel. Why would I waste valuable limited vacation time shopping for the same stuff I can get at home or on line? I understand the argument about unique items not being marketable to the masses, but there has to be something at DS that is difficult for me to find anywhere else.

 

[21stamps]

My recomendation would be to get a map of the springs in advance and plan on what you want to do. You could walk throu leisurely in an hour or so. Stopping off at a few stores and maybe grabbing a beverage or two would begin to fill an evening. Stopping and watching the dance party which starts at 7pm was something that took a bit of time as well. If you do the characters in flight or boatcar things that will take up time as well. There is live entertainment spread out throughout the springs as well.

Thank you. I'd say we spent 4 hours there last year, definitely wouldn't have near that amount of time on this trip. TBD..

 

[King Panda 77]

The stroll is easy for me, as well. Given the many complaints here about having to walk in Disney Springs, I'd think a lovely water taxi to cart you around directly to the different areas of a mall would be welcome. But no, that's "convoluted". Some people simply cannot be happy.

If you can't understand how using two seperate forms of transport is convoluted as opposed to one then i can't help you.

 

[King Panda 77]

For people with some mobility issues (like my wife), they can be a godsend. We parked in the Orange garage (the only one open at the time) and slowly strolled the full length of DS, stopping for brunch at RR, occasionally rested on a bench, etc. But by the time we were finished in the Disney Days of Christmas, there was no way she was going to be able to walk all the way back to the orange garage without a great deal of pain. The water taxi saved the day. And even on solo trips I've taken them because they're kind of fun. And as a photographer, they definitely offer some angles that you can't get anywhere else...

Having been in a similar situation elswhere with my mother i agree things like the water taxi can be a godsend for those who can't physically walk that far and don't want to go down the scooter/wheelchair route. I am not opposed to the boats just don't see how it makes life easier than having multiple bus stops.