Disney springs not doing so well.....

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DisneyDebRob

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I am only on page 3, but it doesn't surprise me that the Marketplace is struggling, the place is a dump. Every time we walk through there, we comment on how decrepit the buildings look, especially the Art of Disney building. I think it's going to be hard to sell higher end products in a building that looks and feels like that place does. And every time they've removed a cabinet, and now I hear they've removed a bunch of the art from the walls. All the money they have dumped into Disney Springs and none of it to freshen up the Marketplace.

Even newer stores like WoD and Once Upon a Toy, all the fun, kinetic elements have been allowed to rot or been removed for something I'm guessing is, "easier and cheaper to maintain." All of the retail spaces that have been recently renovated have left me feeling turned off by shopping. The new Animal Kingdom megastore feels dark and cavernous. Things like moving the Art of Disney merchandise to the Muppet store where pricey items are left to be handled and broken by dozens of little hands. And the CM's don't know their merchandise either.

I can't imagine anyone with real retail management experience would look at how Disney sells their products and the environments and rate it acceptable. And the fact that no face-lifting has been done at the Marketplace other than the Co-Op building, I'm left feeling that it is intentional.

We walked through the new areas on our last trip. The only store we even went into was Uniqlo. It was very bright, airy, modern, and had reasonably priced merchandise. What a concept. The fact that there was so much Disney stuff too was an added bonus.

I forgot we also went in the Coke store, and had the same feeling we get from Disney. It was too small, the aisles were too narrow, displays felt cheap and thrown together. It felt like no one cared about presentation and the retail experience.
Decrepit? Stores being allowed to rot?
I have the opposite feeling. The marketplace has a charm to it. Feels homey and comfortable walking around that area. Maybe it's just me but I enjoy it there over name brand stores no matter how new they look.
 

Jon81uk

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I am quite happy to walk yet understand that some people like taking the boats. No hate for them here either.
I believe the "convoluted" issue is with the bus stop. for example to get to rainforest cafe you used to take the bus to Ds and take the short walk from the stop. Now you queue at the resort for the bus and then get to DS and queue for a water taxi. then take the short walk from that dock.

But for La Nouba you used to have to walk all the way from the bus stop at the marketplace.

At lead the new bus stops are in the middle of the area.
 

WEDwaydatamover

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I noticed the 10 or 12 beautifully framed classic Magic Kingdom attraction posters missing from the Art of Disney Store above the cash registers and in its place an empty wall.

Who comes up with these ideas of taking beautiful touches and replacing them with nothing?

I'm firmly a believer in decling by degrees these days at WDW.
 

ford91exploder

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I noticed the 10 or 12 beautifully framed classic Magic Kingdom attraction posters missing from the Art of Disney Store above the cash registers and in its place an empty wall.

Who comes up with these ideas of taking beautiful touches and replacing them with nothing?

I'm firmly a believer in decling by degrees these days at WDW.

I believe those posters were for sale. Last time at the EPCOT Art of Disney there were similar posters for sale I think they were something like 2K each, But you are correct NOT replacing them with something is bad show which is unfortunately all too common at WDW these days.
 

WEDwaydatamover

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These posters weren't in the poster buying/ print on demand area. They were displayed for maybe 15 years as what COULD be purchased on demand but equally as store decor.

I've never known these actual pieces to be for sale. They were displayed at very high ceiling level and remained pretty much the same since the early 2000's.

Just gone all at once and replaced with dry wall repair and paint. Does anyone know why?

It only added charm and memories to the shoppe. What's the most track lighting could run TDO?
 
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drizgirl

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But for La Nouba you used to have to walk all the way from the bus stop at the marketplace.

At lead the new bus stops are in the middle of the area.


We have only seen La Nouba once, so it's far from a regular thing for us. We took the water taxi from the Marketplace that time.
 

SorcererMC

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WEDwaydatamover

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That's a decent article. I read thru it the other day but missed a few key points. Thank you for re-posting it.

I think it's the visitors that perhaps started visiting in the mid-90s (decline) until now are the ones who are okay with a good deal of the mediocrity and would seem to be more apologists than someone who had experienced the Parks in their prime.

Its simply not knowing any better or that a far more magical Vacation Kingdom once existed.

I'm painting broad brush here.

A bigger, more technologically advanced WDW where you can pre-plan every second does not make it a more magical experience in my opinion.

It can make things more convenient but at the end of the day do you want to remember screwing with your phone, magic band, fast passes, selfies (nobody cares) or your family, environment and being spontaneous and in the moment even if *some areas of the Parks are a shadow of their former glory.

*Some areas=most
 
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SorcererMC

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I don't want to derail the thread too much....I definitely noticed changes from early 90s to post-2000 visits, which eventually brought me to this site to try and understand what was different and why. I think that people do notice (even if TWDC thinks that they don't). Newer guests might not know the difference, but they will have an expectation of quality for price and make judgments on 'value'. I agree that a certain amount of mediocrity is accepted or too readily dismissed (ie, 'maybe it was just that day that something didn't work'), whereby TWDC is 'taking advantage' of customer good will or trading on their good reputation.

Maybe they were just repainting the wall?
 

Cesar R M

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Enjoying Disney Springs had nothing to do with it.

But a person moaning about "class warfare" and social inequality ruining their experience on a Disney fan forum and then telling us how and why we should live our lives is a tad bit extreme.

#triggered!

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Matt_Black

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I think that by itself is kinda a privilege.
Example, there are people who CANNOT take a vacation unless a) kids are out of school b) their workplace finally gives them time free and c) they have money.

Yeah, pretty much. Deciding what transportation you're going to take at a luxury vacation destination is very much a First World Problem. Some people have to decide if they'll spend their budget for the month on food, clothes, or medicine, because they can't cover all three.
 

Matt_Black

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Come to think of it, and I don't mean to get political, but what would happen with crowds at Disney if the minimum wage is raised to 15 dollars?

Well, a lot of that depends on whether or not other costs go up. For instance, right now, gas is really cheap. If it goes up and stays up for a while, however, then I'd suspect things would look very similar to how they are now.
 
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