Disney springs not doing so well.....

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Disorbust

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My understanding is that many of the new high end stores were to intice international visitors to stay onsite and shop not head to the outlet malls. I talked to the CM at the sunglass hut at MK and asked do you really sell that many high end sunglasses to have a store in the mliddle of the MK and she told me it was amazing how many international visotrs buy there. Where it is price, exchange rate or availability who knows but I'm sure those sales have changed with the decreased visitors from Latin America and now with BREXIT who knows what that will do.
 
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wdisney9000

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hakunamatata said:
I think the word you are looking for is frugal. Also, there are different types of wealthy people. Those that made their own wealth and would tend to be frugal because they know exactly how hard it was to aquire it. Then there are those that live the lifestyle off of someone elses frugality and tend to not appreciate the effort put in to aquiring it. Then you have those that come into wealth for a brief period of time. Toss up on these people. Some spend and make it rain and some tend to maintain the lifestyle they had before.

So to say that wealthy people are cheap is really kind of disrespectful.
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People living off someone elses dime or frugality are not wealthy. A person having wealth for "a brief period of time" is not wealthy either. I meant exactly what I said. Wealthy people are cheap. That does not mean they buy cheap items, or that they are bad people. A very, very wealthy client of mine once told me, "the more money I make, the more greedy I get it, because I dont want to loose it." He is a great guy. Worth millions, but he would be the first to tell you, "im cheap". Not every wealthy person would own up to it, whether it be for self esteem or due to a desire to maintain a certain image (which kinda falls under self esteem anyway). I have worked with, around and know many wealthy people, and they are just like the rest of us. If there is a deal or way to save money, they jump on it. And a majority of wealthy people expect to be comped BIG TIME when they spend BIG MONEY.

In fairness, I will say that there is the rare exception to the rule. The "Thornton Melon" effect, if you will. But you see it about as often as you might see Bigfoot.
 
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wdisney9000

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Disorbust said:
My understanding is that many of the new high end stores were to intice international visitors to stay onsite and shop not head to the outlet malls. I talked to the CM at the sunglass hut at MK and asked do you really sell that many high end sunglasses to have a store in the mliddle of the MK and she told me it was amazing how many international visotrs buy there. Where it is price, exchange rate or availability who knows but I'm sure those sales have changed with the decreased visitors from Latin America and now with BREXIT who knows what that will do.
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If true, what a shame that Disney would even consider the outlet malls of Orlando a threat or that they need to profit in that arena.
 
jlsHouston

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Wegerter said:
If you go there it's very clear the new areas are not struggling as a whole. There may be a few stores that don't make it, but that doesn't mean that the whole thing is a failure. You just have to find the right type of stores that work in an area. Also the fact that restaurants are there creates a draw to the area for people to shop in the stores even if they are generic. As a local I've seen first hand how popular Disney Springs is in the Orlando and Tampa areas. People are coming to have dinner and browse stores, but they are not coming to the marketplace because they have seen that already and it comes of as touristy to the local crowd.
Disney can fix this by having special events in the marketplace to draw crowds like they are doing, but that won't be a permanent fix. It is likely that next to the shiny new area people are not going to want to come to the old marketplace. The permanent fix would be to create a complete " reimagineering" to the marketplace to attract more people.
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I must be the rare one that still keeps wandering to the familiar places and just eyeballing the new stores as I pass by on my way to the Marketplace:confused:
 
jlsHouston

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lentesta said:
I'm told that Bongos and Portobello have been given an "update in 2017 or leave" ultimatum. I think their respective contracts are up in May(?). From Disney's perspective, those places are sitting on some valuable real estate. And neither of them has the guest satisfaction ratings of the newer places.
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Really ? Portobello doesn't have a high guest satisfaction? We tried this place for the first time this past June and I was actually impressed.
 
SorcererMC

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Disorbust said:
My understanding is that many of the new high end stores were to intice international visitors to stay onsite and shop not head to the outlet malls. I talked to the CM at the sunglass hut at MK and asked do you really sell that many high end sunglasses to have a store in the mliddle of the MK and she told me it was amazing how many international visotrs buy there. Where it is price, exchange rate or availability who knows but I'm sure those sales have changed with the decreased visitors from Latin America and now with BREXIT who knows what that will do.
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Orlando tourism statistics support that - Intl visitor spend on avg per shopping trip is $750-1000+ and shopping is a main activity for the vast majority of them ~90% (vs. ~35% for domestic visitors). Canada visitation is down due to the exchange rate, UK due to Brexit, Brazil due to the Olympics. So I don't think that Disney Springs is doomed so long as international tourism recovers.
 
21stamps

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wdisney9000 said:
People living off someone elses dime or frugality are not wealthy. A person having wealth for "a brief period of time" is not wealthy either. I meant exactly what I said. Wealthy people are cheap. That does not mean they buy cheap items, or that they are bad people. A very, very wealthy client of mine once told me, "the more money I make, the more greedy I get it, because I dont want to loose it." He is a great guy. Worth millions, but he would be the first to tell you, "im cheap". Not every wealthy person would own up to it, whether it be for self esteem or due to a desire to maintain a certain image (which kinda falls under self esteem anyway). I have worked with, around and know many wealthy people, and they are just like the rest of us. If there is a deal or way to save money, they jump on it. And a majority of wealthy people expect to be comped BIG TIME when they spend BIG MONEY.

In fairness, I will say that there is the rare exception to the rule. The "Thornton Melon" effect, if you will. But you see it about as often as you might see Bigfoot.
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First of all, there is a difference between Cheap and Frugal. @hakunamatata was completely correct.
But anyway..
I don't even understand how this applies to Disney Springs. These are not high end designer stores. They are middle class-upper middle class trendy stores. I guarantee that most women and men, especially in big cities, own several items from these stores or brands.

Bal Harbour and the like is where "Wealthy" people shop. Us "regular" people shop at places like Anthropologie, Under Armor, Etc..and most of us have Kate Spade handbags and/or wallets.

Have you ever shopped at any? We're not talking Chanel, Gucci, or Louboutin prices. You might be pleasantly surprised to realize that the stores at DS are actually for the normal folk.
 
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DanaG

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21stamps said:
Sorry off topic, but what? GFC is now on an all day menu for sure?
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We were there the last week In August - same menu, all day. Spoke to guest services last week and was told it was part of a test they were doing. Hope people love letting their kids have pizza for breakfast.
 
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21stamps

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DanaG said:
We were there the last week In August - same menu, all day. Spoke to guest services last week and was told it was part of a test they were doing. Hope people love letting their kids have pizza for breakfast.
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I'm staying at GF later this month, I just recently posted a thread linking the GFC menu and asking if I was reading it wrong.lol. - Ceasar Salad on breakfast menu and lobster benedict on the lunch menu. This must be why it looks so odd! Please tell me that the lobster benedict is still available for breakfast!
 
cjack300zx

cjack300zx

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I go to downtown disney (that's right Double D) for the food and the atmosphere. Online shopping is making difficult for any retail store to survive
 
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DanaG

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No inside information but this thread was interesting because it just shows everyone values something different in shopping and vacation.
-We enjoy shopping while on vacation. Usually at stores we don't have here.
-I love about an hour from Philadelphia and the only Zara is in Center City. It's not easy to get to, park at or wander with kids. So, while everyone is talking about these stores being accessible in cities, which most people live around, that's not all true.
-I was a history major (and not a business major) but I would think Disney and the businesses would need to give a year to see how a holiday season goes before deciding if it's profitable?
- We may be the odd family out but we did shop while in Disney Springs. And I actually wish they would expand it- a Disney's American girl store would have been amazing for this mom.
----We loved the Disney parks merchandise in the co-op and think they could have really done an entire store. Who doesn't need milk bottle with the Springs logo?
Anyway, reading lots of negatives here - we loved it.
 
ABQ

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I'm confused by some who have a problem with how this shopping mall has developed. I've bought a few things there and probably will purchase a few more, not necessary high priced high end things, but as I live in one of the "flyover states" or cities without 30 shopping malls within 4 miles as so many others who pan Disney Springs as yet another mall, I guess I like it. I don't expect many of the stores there to make a great profit, if any, but oh well, they get their brand out there, I can't think of any other reason they leased. I spent last weekend in Vegas and saw the same thing there. The shopping areas of City Center, the forum shops in Caesar's, the canal shops of the Venetian, the Miracle Mile Shops of Planet Hollywood, they all have a massive overlap of the same stores and none look very busy. Yet they all bought in. Whether it be Disney Springs, downtown Disney before that or WDW Village or Lake Buena Vista Shopping Village, it's always been some sort of retail marketplace. Some of the people panning it seem to be upset it's not a 5th gate theme park. Sure, it's a mall, though it isn't identical to any other I've been in. Nope, no roller coaster like the Mall of America or hockey rink and pool like the West Edmonton Mall, but to the folks that claim they want "an experience unlike any other" Knowing it will always be a retail shopping experience, I ask what sort of experience you are looking for? One where they sell you something you can't get anywhere else? Such as what?
 
21stamps

21stamps

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ABQ said:
Yeah, that is super weird, and as I have a reservation for breakfast there in December, I'm going to be very disappointed if I end up with a Caesar salad and not a Mickey Waffle.
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Me too. I actually called and asked about it a few days ago, the phone rep had no clue as to why the menu looks that way.
 
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