All Disney All The Time
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I did my own, personally designed beer tour of World Showcase once and got drunk. Didn't puke, but did smooch the wife more than once.
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'Disney Springs' - Downtown Disney expansion officially announced
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GoofGoof
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The clubs are gone for good. They are not coming back. For adult night time entertainment the best we can hope for is bar/restaurants with certain after hours restrictions on those under 21. If done right these kind of places will offer enough adult entertainment for most people. The average guest looking for night time adult entertainment wants a place to unwind and grab a few drinks without tripping over strollers. This accomplishes that. There is no pleasing everyone, but adding more options to DTD will make most people happy.
jt04
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I am not so certain about this. Gonna be tough to write DQ, Splitsville, Bongos, the AMC and the Cirque building into an "old Florida" backstory. I am thinking they will be going for an old industrialized city undergoing urban renewal motif. Old Florida aesthetics seem to be centered around the springs only. Same with the marketplace. Hard to write a volcano into an old Florida backstory.
Interesting is that the comprehensive bridge work they did near the Empress Lily will make a great transition between the two areas. They spent a lot of time engineering this area awhile back. The classic 'prefurb'.
(Spellcheck hates the word "prefurb".......for now)
articos
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Yep, Henry Flagler did love Spanish, and there is some example of that in the art, but there's a lot of improper architecture too. Also, the Moorish and Spanish that Flagler built was mostly on the coasts and in the southeast corner by Palm Beach, which includes a ton of gorgeous Spanish architecture, but that's not the description of what Springs is: a small central Florida town that grew up around a spring, like one of hundreds of towns in FL. She didn't specifically state Winter Haven, but the design brief is basically what I just wrote above, specifically Central FL, and not a coastal town. Regarding the railway, I have no problem with the tracks being there, it's the fact they're elevated and the reasoning - it's not to be true to the story. I do like 'train debacle' though!Well St.Augustine is on the coast, just saying -
Kathy did not specifically state Winter Haven though as well neither did she say it was not St.Augustine... and Flagler did employ designers who loved Moorish style architecture and Spanish Baroque, which will be the influence, and then ties back your 'train debacle' seen as he set up the Florida Railway...
Oh I love it up in St.Augustine...oh how I wish I was there now...
articos
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As of right now, the entire complex is to be Old Florida to fit the backstory - the buildings on the West Side will get an exterior architectural treatment to fit them to the theming. That may end up (should be) being relaxed as the detail gets locked in. The Volcano is just there, because, you know, Volcano.I am not so certain about this. Gonna be tough to write DQ, Splitsville, Bongos, the AMC and the Cirque building into an "old Florida" backstory. I am thinking they will be going for an old industrialized city undergoing urban renewal motif. Old Florida aesthetics seem to be centered around the springs only. Same with the marketplace. Hard to write a volcano into an old Florida backstory.
Interesting is that the comprehensive bridge work they did near the Empress Lily will make a great transition between the two areas. They spent a lot of time engineering this area awhile back. The classic 'prefurb'.
(Spellcheck hates the word "prefurb".......for now)
The bridge has been in the plans for ages, since they took the old pedestrian access out. They know something needs to be done asap for guest throughflow. Regardless of any way the plans were going for redoing the District, the bridge was going in. And I'm always just happy when people still use spellcheck!
articos
Well-Known Member
Yep.
Thinking proactively about Disney Springs, they are going to have to change how they do things online compared with Downtown Disney.
If Disney are serious about having Disney Springs as a "destination" in itself, it is going to need...
It's own Facebook/Twitter Pages (with posts about discounts/sales and special events)
It's own website - it can no longer be "hidden away" inside disneyworld.disney.go.com
Looking at it's immediate competition (Mall at Millenia, Florida Mall, Orlando Premium Outlets), it needs...
By all means, under transportation, have "if you are staying at a Walt Disney World Resort, transportation is provided frequently from your resort to Disney Springs", have a restaurant reservation link take you to the current reservation site, mention WDW Annual Pass Discounts on the VIP page, and have a tab on the site that gives a bit of basic information about WDW, with a link to the current WDW site (as well as a tab on WDW website over to the Disney Springs site), but they really do need to treat Disney Springs as if it is its own entity, not as part of something bigger.
If Disney are serious about having Disney Springs as a "destination" in itself, it is going to need...
It's own Facebook/Twitter Pages (with posts about discounts/sales and special events)
It's own website - it can no longer be "hidden away" inside disneyworld.disney.go.com
Looking at it's immediate competition (Mall at Millenia, Florida Mall, Orlando Premium Outlets), it needs...
- Directory, with maps - each store/restaurant has its own page on the site, and the directory can be sorted both by A-Z, and by category - it should also be printable - each store/restaurant also has a telephone number listed.
- Visitor Information
- Opening Hours
- Address
- Directions/Transportation - printable
- Mall Events - also printable
- Individual Store Events - also printable
- Restaurant Menus/Restaurant Reservations
- Gift Cards
- Media & Press
- VIP Discounts/Frequent Purchasers Club
- Tour Group Information
- Florida Mall even has the weather/temperature listed
By all means, under transportation, have "if you are staying at a Walt Disney World Resort, transportation is provided frequently from your resort to Disney Springs", have a restaurant reservation link take you to the current reservation site, mention WDW Annual Pass Discounts on the VIP page, and have a tab on the site that gives a bit of basic information about WDW, with a link to the current WDW site (as well as a tab on WDW website over to the Disney Springs site), but they really do need to treat Disney Springs as if it is its own entity, not as part of something bigger.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Sounds like part of the plan. Food trucks probably fit best in West End since it has more of an industrial feel to it. I think it's a great and unique way to build the equivalent of a food court area with lots of options for faster food. They could also pull the trucks out and use them at big events at the sports complex or other places on property if needed. I wonder if the areas on top of the train tracks or below will have a bunch of tables and seating for people eating from the food trucks. They definitely could use some additional dining options that are not sit down restaurants, this would fit the bill nicely.
jt04
Well-Known Member
As of right now, the entire complex is to be Old Florida to fit the backstory - the buildings on the West Side will get an exterior architectural treatment to fit them to the theming. That may end up (should be) being relaxed as the detail gets locked in. The Volcano is just there, because, you know, Volcano.
The bridge has been in the plans for ages, since they took the old pedestrian access out. They know something needs to be done asap for guest throughflow. Regardless of any way the plans were going for redoing the District, the bridge was going in. And I'm always just happy when people still use spellcheck!
I was mainly referring to the style of the bridge. When they built it I thought it looked like a classic railway bridge and now I know why.
articos
Well-Known Member
Oh, I thought you were referring to some site work that was done to prep for the new bridge. Never mind!
G00fyDad
Well-Known Member
So what you are saying is those lushes who can't hold their liquor ruined it for those of us who were responsible, high functioning drunks
Nah. The alcohol was not the death knell for PI. What killed it was Disney management. I never had an issue with the idea of PI at all. I understood the desire and draw that it had on visitors and locals. My problem was the placement. Of course when they removed the gates and opened PI to everyone passing through I would always walk around and think "Well that was stupid of Disney."
All Disney All The Time
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The wife and I love comedy clubs, we're going to one tonite as a matter of fact. Two drink minimum (which for us is more like 4 drink mandatory) and a table full of appetizers and some decidely non-PC humor and we're having a good time. If Disney Springs ever incudes a comedy club, we're there for sure.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I see no reason they couldn't add a comedy club. Makes perfect sense. I don't think a dance club will come back, but a comedy club is pretty harmless.
All Disney All The Time
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From your lips to Disney's mouse ears.
imagineer boy
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So wait a minute, the entire DTD area will receive the old Florida theming? I thought it was just the expansion. I hope they don't re-theme the whole thing because that would make the place too one-note. I like the concept of each of the districts having their own theme with Marketplace being laid back and quiet, and the West Side being modern and contemporary.
flynnibus
Premium Member
There is a unifying theme.. but there are the seperate areas that each have their own concentration. Basically 'lands' for each of the 4 areas.. west side, old PI, old marketplace, and the new area inbetween
Lee
Adventurer
Well, it's certainly in the plans...
It's definately my least favorite addition.
Food trucks? Really? I don't mind food trucks in general, but as a permanent part of Disney Springs....ugh.
jt04
Well-Known Member
I have been studying the artwork and there is a difference of opinion developing about this. I have noticed some really cool elements. Here are just two. They seem to be designing the marketplace to take advantage of the towering hotels. Sightlines have been factored in everywhere. It is a very cool aesthetic. Can't wait to see the end product.
At the same time it appears they have designed the springs area to avoid visual intrusions from outside the DTD area including from the West Side. A lot of thought has gone into this and I am increasingly impressed.
Study the concept art and judge for yourownself.