'Disney Springs' - Downtown Disney expansion officially announced

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DisneyGuyNYC said:
Profit doesn't necessarily mean popular. It's a bar in Downtown Disney. Of course it makes money. It's never been anyone's favorite nor has it been something anyone is excited about or captures anyone's imagination.

I don't understand the obsession with one portion of the family. Families are more than very young children. We actually don't have any of those in my family and just did a trip to the World last year. Must we always be speaking to the lowest common denominator? Last time I checked there were adult rides and alcohol served throughout the resort. Jellyroll's is fun and exciting without having to be neutered.

Dance clubs and bars do not necessarily mean scary, adult, sex dungeons. There are plenty of wholesome and friendly bars and nightlife experiences here in NYC. I don't understand this constant need to focus everything on toddlers.

It would be nice for there to be a place to go that served that purpose without it overflowing into Epcot all the time.

If Epcot can have a family image with all the alcohol it serves I fail to see how Disney Springs couldn't manage that in one roped off section.
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Raglan Road happens to be one of my favorites. But anyway, I have no idea what Raglan Road's profit is, but I can tell you that it ix extremely popular based on the fact that it has a line out of the door nearly every night and runs at near 100% capacity. That sums up popular to me.

It seems that people want Disney to be something that it isn't. Disney is about creating family entertainment - this is not a hidden secret. If you are not looking for primarily family orientated offerings, Disney is not necessarily for you.

Yes I agree there can be wholesome and friendly bars and nightlife experience - of which there are some in NYC. I can also find you the absolute opposite in NYC as well.
 
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djlaosc

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MR FERRET said:
What about all the International visitors that don't have the same shops as your local mall ?
If there is a significantly higher proportion of foreigners then why shouldn't Disney want to keep them onsite for as long as possible ?
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From the top of my head based on the brands in the other thread, we already have 319 Topshops, plenty of Apple stores, and SuperDry is a UK brand as well!
 
DisneyGuyNYC

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wdwmagic said:
Raglan Road happens to be one of my favorites. But anyway, I have no idea what Raglan Road's profit is, but I can tell you that it ix extremely popular based on the fact that it has a line out of the door nearly every night and runs at near 100% capacity. That sums up popular to me.
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You know what that tells me? That there is a starving market for more adult experiences within the resort. Raglan might be one of your favorites but it's a yawn to most people I've spoken too. It's a complete yawn to me. Those lines out the door mean that shocker(!!) there is a market for Disney to explore outside of pre-schoolers within the average family. The "popularity" of such a boring venue should be a message loud and clear of what needs there are.
wdwmagic said:
Yes I agree there can be wholesome and friendly bars and nightlife experience - of which there are some in NYC. I can also find you the absolute opposite in NYC as well.
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Sure but that's what people wanted to build and create, darker, gritty and decidedly NOT family friendly bars. Some people like that stuff.

Obviously that has no place in Disney. They could build it to be whatever they want. They could build wholesome, fun, and appropriate venues down there just as people have in NYC. That was my point. It's not like it's going to explode into an S&M bar out of nowhere. They can control what they build and the experience.

Proof they can control the experience? Jellyroll's.
 
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djlaosc said:
Yeah, the prices will be more expensive... ;)
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Not necessarily, don't most 3rd party vendors currently at DTD offer annual pass discounts? That COULD be enough to get more locals choosing to shop at Disney Springs rather than at the malls and outlets.
 
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Eeyore said:
Not necessarily, don't most 3rd party vendors currently at DTD offer annual pass discounts? That COULD be enough to get more locals choosing to shop at Disney Springs rather than at the malls and outlets.
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I don' know about annual pass discount, as I'm an "international visitor", but a discount might get you cheaper than Mall at Millenia, but would it get you cheaper than the Orlando Premium Outlets?
 
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djlaosc said:
I don' know about annual pass discount, as I'm an "international visitor", but a discount might get you cheaper than Mall at Millenia, but would it get you cheaper than the Orlando Premium Outlets?
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In my experience the outlets are not at all less expensive than the mall, they just pretend to be. The deals are to be found at the factory stores but there you're getting substantially lower quality items that are made specifically to be sold dirt cheap at the outlets. You'll never find those same items for sale in the regular stores. If you're lucky you may be able to find some out of season deals or seconds but you have to be pretty diligent.
 
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Eeyore said:
In my experience the outlets are not at all less expensive than the mall, they just pretend to be. The deals are to be found at the factory stores but there you're getting substantially lower quality items that are made specifically to be sold dirt cheap at the outlets. You'll never find those same items for sale in the regular stores. If you're lucky you may be able to find some out of season deals or seconds but you have to be pretty diligent.
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Yeah Long Island has some of the most popular outlets in the region (or the country if I'm not mistaken) and people will take buses from NYC just to shop there.

I used to work at one such outlet and I can tell you first hand the the items are usually older, much lower quality, or off-color (a shade wrong was produced). They price them higher than they expect you to pay and then have constant "sales" and coupons and "deals" such as buy 2 get 3 to get you to believe you're saving tons of money.

Kind of like how stores like Kohl's will list every single "discount" you got on your clothes and tell you at the end of your checkout "how much you saved today!" even though nobody was expecting anyone to pay the original price anyway.

TL;DR You get what you pay for.
 
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Eeyore said:
In my experience the outlets are not at all less expensive than the mall, they just pretend to be. The deals are to be found at the factory stores but there you're getting substantially lower quality items that are made specifically to be sold dirt cheap at the outlets. You'll never find those same items for sale in the regular stores. If you're lucky you may be able to find some out of season deals or seconds but you have to be pretty diligent.
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Exactly. Compare the J.Crew, Banana Republic, or Burberry "Factory Store" merchandise to what's sold in their actual stores. Not even remotely the same.

The stuff at outlets that isn't "Factory Store" merchandise is usually seconds or past season. So again, not the same.
 
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wdwmagic said:
Raglan Road happens to be one of my favorites. But anyway, I have no idea what Raglan Road's profit is, but I can tell you that it ix extremely popular based on the fact that it has a line out of the door nearly every night and runs at near 100% capacity. That sums up popular to me.
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This simply isn't true. Christmas, Spring Break, yes. But every place in town has lines those weeks. Most nights if you walk up you will be seated instantly. I'm not saying it's a ghost town, but near 100% capacity nightly is a ridiculous exaggeration.
 
wdwmagic

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71jason said:
This simply isn't true. Christmas, Spring Break, yes. But every place in town has lines those weeks. Most nights if you walk up you will be seated instantly. I'm not saying it's a ghost town, but near 100% capacity nightly is a ridiculous exaggeration.
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Well there is a reason why they are adding a minimum of 10 new restaurants in Disney Springs. Dining capacity at DTD is absolutely maxed out, and there are typically 45 min wait times at every restaurant during the evenings. On a weekend you can be looking at a 2 hour wait. It is rare you can walk straight into any restaurant at Downtown Disney at night. Dining and parking are currently at absolute capacity.
 
DisneyGuyNYC

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wdwmagic said:
Well there is a reason why they are adding a minimum of 10 new restaurants in Disney Springs. Dining capacity at DTD is absolutely maxed out, and there are typically 45 min wait times at every restaurant during the evenings. On a weekend you can be looking at a 2 hour wait. It is rare you can walk straight into any restaurant at Downtown Disney at night. Dining and parking are currently at absolute capacity.
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All the more reason to get the people looking to drink and get loud out of the crowded restaurants and into an appropriate venue...

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DisneyGuyNYC said:
All the more reason to get the people looking to drink and get loud out of the crowded restaurants and into an appropriate venue.
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I don't think anyone would argue that there is a market for nightlife. But what we can't argue is that, for whatever reason, the company has decided that that is a market they'd rather not tap into. We can disagree with that philosophy but it is crystal clear that they just aren't interested.
 
DisneyGuyNYC

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Eeyore said:
I don't think anyone would argue that there is a market for nightlife. But what we can't argue is that, for whatever reason, the company has decided that that is a market they'd rather not tap into. We can disagree with that philosophy but it is crystal clear that they just aren't interested.
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Oh I know that. That's what I'm doing... discussing why that is and disagreeing with it. The most I can do to change things is talk about it.
 

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