Disney Skyliner shutdown and evacuation - October 6 2019

["El Gran Magnifico"]

No argument there. But it's my opinion.

And it's not mine. Here's why. The draw for me is not necessarily the parks. It's also, spending time at the resorts. Staying at the Poly, gives me convenient access to the MK and I'm a short TTC transfer away from EPCOT. But it also gives me convenient access to all Monorail Resorts to dine, lounge, drink, and just generally hang out. A convenient boat ride from the Contemporary to WL makes a 4th resort easily accessible.

For me the attraction of the Gondola from a place like POP isn't just necessarily getting from the resort to EPCOT or DHS, it's also because it would open up easier access to Boardwalk, it's resorts, and places like Riviera and CBR.

For you - that may not factor in. For me it does. It's just two differing opinions - neither which is right or wrong. But I wouldn't go with "ridiculous".

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Reedy Creek Improvement District Department of Building and Safety.

Thank you!

 

[mergatroid]

Incorrect. By my logic the monorails were able to operate without incident for THREE YEARS prior to their 1974 accident.
They didn't have an accident in the FIRST WEEK.
I know... I dare criticize Disney. God forbid.

It doesn't necessarily work like that though, you have to take into account the 'circumstances' that caused the accident as opposed to just how long it's been running. Let's take this scenario, what if on day 1 of the monorail opening one of the pilots who was quietly suffering from depression had decided he was going to deliberately smash his monorail into another to commit suicide. Would you be saying to shut the monorail for good as there'd been an accident so early on, or looking upon it as something to be worked around due to the unusual circumstances?

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

Incorrect. By my logic the monorails were able to operate without incident for THREE YEARS prior to their 1974 accident.
They didn't have an accident in the FIRST WEEK.
I know... I dare criticize Disney. God forbid.

Who says i don't criticize Disney when they deserve it. Stop labelling me. I feel judged by you for no reason.

 

[BromBones]

The canal is not getting any bigger...

Just how big do you this this barge would have to be?

 

[BromBones]

It doesn't necessarily work like that though, you have to take into account the 'circumstances' that caused the accident as opposed to just how long it's been running. Let's take this scenario, what if on day 1 of the monorail opening one of the pilots who was quietly suffering from depression had decided he was going to deliberately smash his monorail into another to commit suicide. Would you be saying to shut the monorail for good as there'd been an accident so early on, or looking upon it as something to be worked around due to the unusual circumstances?

Now you're splitting hairs because the Skyliner accident was not caused by someone suffering from depression, it was a mechanical operational issue. That makes a VERY big difference in overall safety.

 

[joelkfla]

For those that have ridden it or spent more time looking at pictures of the interiors, do they have any instruction signs for the call boxes? I'm just reminded of the signs the NYC subway where there are signs not to pull the emergency stop cord for most things, particularly medical emergencies.

It seems like it would be a good idea to clearly state people shouldn't use them just to report that they're stopped (Disney already knows, guys) and to reserve for actual medical emergencies.

Like those warnings on medications, "Do not use this if you are allergic to it"?

If people are determined to ignore the obvious, I don't see much value in restating the obvious.

 

[BromBones]

Who says i don't criticize Disney when they deserve it. Stop labelling me. I feel judged by you for no reason.

I never said you didn't criticize Disney, but you sure to seem to be defending them quite a bit against any of my valid concerns to the point of questioning my logic. So you were judging me too weren't you.

 

[mergatroid]

Now you're splitting hairs because the Skyliner accident was not caused by someone suffering from depression, it was a mechanical operational issue. That makes a VERY big difference in overall safety.

I was just replying to your post below where you say

Incorrect. By my logic the monorails were able to operate without incident for THREE YEARS prior to their 1974 accident.
They didn't have an accident in the FIRST WEEK.
I know... I dare criticize Disney. God forbid.

Reading this it seems your argument is solely down to when the accident happened as opposed to why it happened. I'm sorry if you've added detailed explanations pages back (?), but I'm just working from the post quoted.

 

[joelkfla]

Unfortunately statistics and facts are meaningless to people who have fears(irrational or not). A well known Disney Vlogger's wife will never ride the Skyliner again because of this incident. Here is her explanation(It starts at 4:55)...



She goes on to explain she will not ride the Monorail or Disney buses, if there's ever a problem with the ferry's I'm guessing she'll never make it to MK again.

She is not unique. There are millions of people like this who will never ride the Skyliner no matter how safe it's proven to be.

She has a right to her own opinions & feelings, rational or irrational. But Disney is not obligated to cater to them.

 

[Santa Raccoon 77]

I never said you didn't criticize Disney, but you sure to seem to be defending them quite a bit against any of my valid concerns to the point of questioning my logic. So you were judging me too weren't you.

When you start using logic i will stop judging you.

 

[mergatroid]

Unfortunately statistics and facts are meaningless to people who have fears(irrational or not). A well known Disney Vlogger's wife will never ride the Skyliner again because of this incident. Here is her explanation(It starts at 4:55)...



She goes on to explain she will not ride the Monorail or Disney buses, if there's ever a problem with the ferry's I'm guessing she'll never make it to MK again.

She is not unique. There are millions of people like this who will never ride the Skyliner no matter how safe it's proven to be.

What a surprise, Jenn finds something else she doesn't like

Maybe somebody should tell her the ferry she likes so much killed somebody many years ago.

 

[Incomudro]

That is completely subjective. It may be ridiculous to you. May not be to others.

Yeah, really.
I just came very close to booking at Caribbean Beach largely due to the Skyliner.
We stayed at CB years ago, and I like it quite a bit - but getting around by bus only is arduous.
The Skyliner is going to help that situation greatly, and I had good visions of the family and I riding the Skyliner to and from Galexy's Edge, or into International Gateway.
I imagined my son's now having the freedom to ride to and from Galexy's Edge together - or even alone if they had the desire to go or stay longer - and the rest of us did not.

 

[Vacationeer]

Are you sure? All stars have seen massive rate increases and nothing has went ogrt there. Actually the quality at sports has decreased in the last year.

Maybe I'm turning into an old fogey but looks to me like increases reflect a premium beyond normal hikes in prep for SkyLiner.
I don't blame WDW charging for access demand at Skyliner Moderates as they do at Monorail Deluxes.

Nemo Room at AoA Christmas week:
2015 - $514
2017 - $570
2019 - $708
2020 - $771

Caribbean Beach least expensive room:
2015 - $182
2017 - $187
2019 - $194
2020 - $230

Caribbean Beach most expensive room:
2015 - $368
2017 - $382
2019 - $460
2020 - $505

 

[Rob562]

Now you're splitting hairs because the Skyliner accident was not caused by someone suffering from depression, it was a mechanical operational issue. That makes a VERY big difference in overall safety.

Except we don't know at the moment that the *accident* part of the incident (the crunched cabin) was caused by mechanical failure. In at least one account I've read, the line shut down first for some reason, then the accident happened when it was restarted.

Was the initial stoppage caused by the system seeing the fault of the cabin failing to launch? Was the fault code overridden by staff who forced the line to start again? These are questions we do not have an answer to. To definitively blame the accident itself on mechanical fault without all the info is not prudent.

It may have been staff following documented procedures that were faulty or had a lapse that didn't foresee a specific event happening (as happened in the monorail crash at the TTC).

Or perhaps staff *not* following proper procedure and overriding something manually that activated the system led to the accident (such as happened with the Smiler coaster crash in the UK. Or for a WDW example, years ago when maintenance was resetting Universe of Energy from a breakdown and someone accidentally raised the diorama door while a vehicle was on top of it, causing major damage to both vehicle and door)

Bottom line, we don't know if the cause was mechanical or human. I'd hope that that information eventually comes out.

-Rob

 

[Vacationeer]

Here's AKL STandard rooms cheapest season:
2015 - $320
2017 - $346
2019 - $397
2020 - $417

Quite a contrast against increases at Skyliner resorts.

 

[Rich Brownn]

Incorrect. By my logic the monorails were able to operate without incident for THREE YEARS prior to their 1974 accident.
They didn't have an accident in the FIRST WEEK.
I know... I dare criticize Disney. God forbid.

And their first accident was not only waaaay more serious, it was because Disney had deliberately overridden safety protocols for three years in order to attempt to increase capacity. In that case it was a matter of luck simply ran out. The number of near miss incidents should have been a warning sign but it wasn't. In this case it was a freak incident on a proven system, no one was hurt, damage was minimal and communication seems to have been the biggest issue. But that doesn't match up with your doom and gloom agenda. (I'd ignore you, but you've become quite amusing)

 

[Vacationeer]

No they haven’t (yet)

Pop prices went up roughly 4% from 2108 to 2019

Which is similar to the prior year increases

Pop Cheapest/Highest rates:
2015 - $107/236
2017 - $118/250 (+$9/14)
2019 - $130/306 (+$16/56)
2020 - $154/336 (+$24/30)

AKL increased 30% over those 5 years, Skyliner resorts increased 50%.

Pop 2018 - 2019
3% $126/130 - Cheapest
3% $204/210 - Memorial
15% $201/233 - Columbus
15% $180/208 - PreChristmas week "Peak"

Disney's no dummy with numbers and appearance. Between chart changes and new rate categories, it's hard to compare because all the expanded date rate prices messes with averages (if anybody even has the time to go thru every day and category). A huge portion of guests saw 15% increase just in that year at Pop and for them that's what matters. Plus, WDW spread these higher rate increases over a few years in preparation for Skyliner demand I believe so that it wouldn't look so drastic.

I can change my mind if someone can prove otherwise.

 

[BromBones]

When you start using logic i will stop judging you.

It's funny how you get all upset if someone dares make what you consider to be an assumption about you, but you are quite okay with making assumptions about others.
Sounds like another personal attack. Once again that violates the rules of this forum.

 

[BromBones]

Except we don't know at the moment that the *accident* part of the incident (the crunched cabin) was caused by mechanical failure. In at least one account I've read, the line shut down first for some reason, then the accident happened when it was restarted.

Was the initial stoppage caused by the system seeing the fault of the cabin failing to launch? Was the fault code overridden by staff who forced the line to start again? These are questions we do not have an answer to. To definitively blame the accident itself on mechanical fault without all the info is not prudent.

It may have been staff following documented procedures that were faulty or had a lapse that didn't foresee a specific event happening (as happened in the monorail crash at the TTC).

Or perhaps staff *not* following proper procedure and overriding something manually that activated the system led to the accident (such as happened with the Smiler coaster crash in the UK. Or for a WDW example, years ago when maintenance was resetting Universe of Energy from a breakdown and someone accidentally raised the diorama door while a vehicle was on top of it, causing major damage to both vehicle and door)

Bottom line, we don't know if the cause was mechanical or human. I'd hope that that information eventually comes out.

-Rob

So you are assuming that the Skyliners are safe because it MAY have been human error and that is the basis for your entire argument?