Disney Playing catch up with Universal... Potter Disney's biggest mistake in 20 years...

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Skip

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SJN1279 said:
People who complain that the Seven Dwarves Mine Train was originally a longer attraction seem to forget that the animatronics were very low tech in that version. I found the Seven Dwarves Train to be the perfect ride length for a coaster. The ride starts off strong, has a great mid point in the mine with the amazing dwarf animatronics that leads to a hill with very good airtime, and ends with a nice closing scene at their cottage. It is one of Disney's best attractions.
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I'll let Splash Mountain, Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, American Adventure, Spaceship Earth, Kilimanjaro Safari, Tower of Terror and Great Movie Ride know that they've got competition from a two minute junior coaster.

The animatronics with the current layout were also intended to be low-tech until relatively late in the game by all accounts. There's no telling if they wouldn't have decided to upgrade the AA's if they had stuck with the original layout.

But yeah, the Mine Train's duration of, what, thirty seconds of actual coaster time is pretty dismal, acceptable only by kid-oriented starter coasters like Barnstormer, not the centerpiece of a hugely-touted expansion. You know what I think is an appropriate coaster length for a ride of this scale and importance? Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. But they don't build rides quite like that anymore...

I'm going to ask this for the third time (you have yet to respond to my other requests) - do you have a connection to the Walt Disney Company? Familial, occupational, etc.? Because that's the only way I can make any sense of your incessant non-posts which read like bullet points from a corporate Disney newsletter ("a" hill with "very good airtime?" Who talks like this) short of believing you actually have some sort of illness that compels you to randomly throw these deeply bizarre arguments into threads at random.
 
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Fast_Eddie

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The point I'm making is that if they spent the money they make the same as if they didn't. They use to update and do something new yearly. It just never brought more people.. It bought the same, even now that place alone avg 18mil. Look at all the people that go to Epcot, what have they done there? Half the rides there have been closed for years and it's one of the top draws in the world.
 
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mahnamahna101

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Fast_Eddie said:
The point I'm making is that if they spent the money they make the same as if they didn't. They use to update and do something new yearly. It just never brought more people.. It bought the same, even now that place alone avg 18mil. Look at all the people that go to Epcot, what have they done there? Half the rides there have been closed for years and it's one of the top draws in the world.
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So because audiences aren't coming, stop adding new attractions (ones that aren't replacements)?

And because people still show up for a stagnant park, there's no reason to change it?

Epcot has declined from lack of additions.... pretty sure they were at 13 million in the mid 90s when everything was still up and running.

MK just got a 1 million guest boost so your theory that attractions/additions don't bring in crowds is faulty
 
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Fast_Eddie

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They paid a fortune to get the rights to Harry. Another reason Disney let them have them. Universal spends the money cause no one came to the parks. Without potter they were lucky to have 5mil avg.
 
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Fast_Eddie

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mahnamahna101 said:
So because audiences aren't coming, stop adding new attractions (ones that aren't replacements)?

And because people still show up for a stagnant park, there's no reason to change it?

Epcot has declined from lack of additions.... pretty sure they were at 13 million in the mid 90s when everything was still up and running.

MK just got a 1 million guest boost so your theory that attractions/additions don't bring in crowds is faulty
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Your not getting it..... They are coming, even when they do nothing. They get the same avg yearly. If they spend or don't.
 
ABQ

ABQ

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Fast_Eddie said:
The point I'm making is that if they spent the money they make the same as if they didn't. They use to update and do something new yearly. It just never brought more people.. It bought the same, even now that place alone avg 18mil. Look at all the people that go to Epcot, what have they done there? Half the rides there have been closed for years and it's one of the top draws in the world.
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That's fine for them to do, but only if the status quo doesn't change. Fact is, it has changed and continues to change. If Uni did nothing at all, WDW, from a purely business model stance, would be wise to continue to do nothing and make the same money as you've pointed out. To do that now though is short-sighed. Changes down the road are too large to ignore and too large to not make an impact on the bottom line. However, they'll take the easy way out in the short term, just raise prices to offset stagnant or limited growth attendance figures. But in the long run, they'll have to do something dramatic of their own if they expect to make the same revenue figures they have seen in the past.
 
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mahnamahna101

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Skip said:
I'll let Splash Mountain, Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, Big Thunder Mountain Railroad, American Adventure, Spaceship Earth, Kilimanjaro Safari, Tower of Terror and Great Movie Ride know that they've got competition from a two minute junior coaster.

The animatronics with the current layout were also intended to be low-tech until relatively late in the game by all accounts. There's no telling if they wouldn't have decided to upgrade the AA's if they had stuck with the original layout.

But yeah, the Mine Train's duration of, what, thirty seconds of actual coaster time is pretty dismal, acceptable only by kid-oriented starter coasters like Barnstormer, not the centerpiece of a hugely-touted expansion. You know what I think is an appropriate coaster length for a ride of this scale and importance? Big Thunder Mountain Railroad. But they don't build rides quite like that anymore...

I'm going to ask this for the third time (you have yet to respond to my other requests) - do you have a connection to the Walt Disney Company? Familial, occupational, etc.? Because that's the only way I can make any sense of your incessant non-posts which read like bullet points from a corporate Disney newsletter ("a" hill with "very good airtime?" Who talks like this) short of believing you actually have some sort of illness that compels you to randomly throw these deeply bizarre arguments into threads at random.
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Agreed, Disney's classic E tickets have always exceeded 5 minutes... but American Adventure is a ride?!?

I'd add Small World, Jungle Cruise and PeopleMover to the long, winding attractions list. Ditto all of the shows.

SDMT could have used 30 more seconds of coaster, 30 more seconds of dark ride... maybe another 15 seconds of coaster? A 4 minute ride experience would have silenced the claims that the ride is too short for a jr. Coaster.
 
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mahnamahna101

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Fast_Eddie said:
They paid a fortune to get the rights to Harry. Another reason Disney let them have them. Universal spends the money cause no one came to the parks. Without potter they were lucky to have 5mil avg.
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Before 9/11, Universal Studios Florida had 8 million guests while IOA had 6 million guests... the aftermath definitely hurt Universal for a good 9 years, hence the Dark Ages (2001-2010)

But Potter has easily covered the costs of the rights already. Diagon will increase the profits even more.

Disney "let" them have the rights because Rowling wasn't impressed with Disney's proposal
 
Mike S

Mike S

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Fast_Eddie said:
They aren't in the top ten in attendance. So even when you build it they don' t come.
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You don't say?
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mahnamahna101

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Fast_Eddie said:
Your not getting it..... They are coming, even when they do nothing. They get the same avg yearly. If they spend or don't.
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I do get it... but as Walt said (paraphrasing), the parks shouldn't just be about making money.

More importantly, where's the pride? Sure, WDW has nothing to prove, but they should be annoyed/jealous that the innovation in US theme parks belongs squarely with Universal these days.

Regardless of increasing attendance, Walt always made sure something fresh, big or small, came to Disneyland.

If all of the parks were actually full-day/up to snuff, (2 currently aren't, and one is pretty stagnant) they could increase attendance significantly more than the 1-3% they currently experience.
 
DinoInstitute

DinoInstitute

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mahnamahna101 said:
By 2021, they'll be in the top 7... you clearly haven't seen what Uni has planned post-Potter. Both gates will pass 10 million each before the 50th.
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That is merely predicting though. They will reach a point of maximum attendence--not because of capacity, but because they will run out of people that will want to visit them
 
Californian Elitist

Californian Elitist

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Fast_Eddie said:
They paid a fortune to get the rights to Harry. Another reason Disney let them have them. Universal spends the money cause no one came to the parks. Without potter they were lucky to have 5mil avg.
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Disney didn't let Universal "have" Potter.

Fast_Eddie said:
They are coming, even when they do nothing. They get the same avg yearly. If they spend or don't.
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Again, you surely don't think this is a good thing???
 

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