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dadddio

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mahnamahna101 said:
First off, it's a theme park. Six Flags and Cedar Fair are amusement parks

Second off, what's wrong with learning a little on vacation? I know ignorance is all Murican, but some educational value in a park built with education in mind wouldn't be awful.

There's 2 parks already that focus solely on fun. Epcot and even AK should strive to add a little edutainment.

Pardon me for thinking Epcot shouldn't be dumbed down
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First off, don't care. You win the Internet. Go you.

Second off, I refused to be offended if people enjoy non-educational attractions while on vacation. You are welcome to get all offended at what other people enjoy, but I don't see the point.
 
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dadddio

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wm49rs said:
If they're looking to buy into the brand as you have, then they're doing things just fine....
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Yes, people have already informed me that liking Nemo is bad and not thinking that Figment is awesome is a sign of the debbil.

How dare people like what they like and not what they don't and dare express these personal opinions on the Internet.
 
wm49rs

wm49rs

A naughty bit o' crumpet
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dadddio said:
Not really. I'm just not understanding what you are trying to say and letting you know so that you can expound on your point. I'm not ducking an issue or trying to insult you.
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Of course not, perish that thought. Alas, I'm not of a mindset this evening to engage with someone who can only see one side of a discussion, as you've consistently displayed....
 
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dadddio

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lazyboy97o said:
Maybe you should go back and reread it then because you've obviously missed the point.
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I get his point with the Godfather thing. He is arguing that quality is something that can be decided and that any personal opinions (that run contrary to his) don't matter. I get his point. I merely think it's bunk.
 
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dadddio

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wm49rs said:
Of course not, perish that thought. Alas, I'm not of a mindset this evening to engage with someone who can only see one side of a discussion, as you've consistently displayed....
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If you don't want to further explain your post, why should I care?
 
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draybook

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mahnamahna101

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dadddio said:
First off, don't care. You win the Internet. Go you.

Second off, I refused to be offended if people enjoy non-educational attractions while on vacation. You are welcome to get all offended at what other people enjoy, but I don't see the point.
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Love how you couldn't even argue the first point I made ;)

The point is that you directly support the dumbing down of a park that GASP was DESIGNED to be educational to begin with..:rolleyes: I'm not offended that people like Nemo (offended at the shell of his former self that Figment has become). Rather, I'm disappointed with the Imagineers that they aren't allow to build spectacular attractions that are fun with some education along the way

Walt loved edutainment - Great Moments with Abraham Lincoln, Adventures Through Inner Space, the PeopleMover, Carousel of Progress, his plans for Liberty Street, Edison Square and International Street, the slight tidbits of history in Main Street and Frontierland, even Jungle Cruise showed Americans animals they weren't accustomed to seeing back in 1955 (AA animals but still lol)

Epcot was designed for edutainment - and I'm not picky. I have no problem with Test Track, Mission - Space, and Soarin' - may all be overrated, but they give some educational value.

But Nemo is just a Fantasyland style dark ride now - nothing educational about the seas (Epcot is an educational theme park, so there should always be a little something to learn on each ride). Three Caballeros teach me nothing about Mexico or entertain me currently - they could, but Disney value engineered it.

I doubt Frozen's overlay of Maelstrom will be remotely educational about Norwegian culture. Imagination 3.0 is a shell of its former shelf.

I bet you love Dinorama, huh? Kids have FUN on it. So it must be good if SOMEONE had fun. Who cares about theming? Someone had fun ;)

I'm more annoyed at your total lack of understanding towards Epcot's theme/vision than I am the general public's tendency to turn their brains off when they're anywhere but school/work.
 
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mahnamahna101

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dadddio said:
I get his point with the Godfather thing. He is arguing that quality is something that can be decided and that any personal opinions (that run contrary to his) don't matter. I get his point. I merely think it's bunk.
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It's simple. Certain movies are high quality regardless of one's opinion of how much they enjoyed it. The Godfather is high quality. Citizen Kane is high quality. Casablanca, Modern Times, Psycho, Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Wizard of Oz, Mary Poppins, Back to the Future, The Shawshank Redemption - all well done even if one personally did not take a liking to the film itself.

POTC, HM, Big Thunder, Space, Splash, ToT, Spidey, Popeye, FJ, JttCotE, Indy - all well done, high quality attractions that can't be considered truly "bad". Even if you didn't personally like it, the ride is still a spectacular feat in theming, thrills, etc.

Certain pieces of media are just admirable feats even if you aren't particularly fond of it.

And anyone who thinks The Godfather is genuinely Michael Bay/Tyler Perry bad obviously doesn't need to be watching movies...
 
Tom Morrow

Tom Morrow

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Nemo could have been an easy fit for the Seas pavilion if they just tried slightly harder. Turtle Talk fits just fine. With the ride they could have had you traveling with Mr. Ray on a field trip. Boom, educational but still related to the movie.

Instead, Nemo is being a jerk for some reason and hiding from his dad, so they go on an adventure to find him but incidentally encounter the exact same obstacles.
 
BigTxEars

BigTxEars

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mahnamahna101 said:
It's simple. Certain movies are high quality regardless of one's opinion of how much they enjoyed it. The Godfather is high quality. Citizen Kane is high quality. Casablanca, Modern Times, Psycho, Star Wars, Raiders of the Lost Ark, The Wizard of Oz, Mary Poppins, Back to the Future, The Shawshank Redemption - all well done even if one personally did not take a liking to the film itself.

POTC, HM, Big Thunder, Space, Splash, ToT, Spidey, Popeye, FJ, JttCotE, Indy - all well done, high quality attractions that can't be considered truly "bad". Even if you didn't personally like it, the ride is still a spectacular feat in theming, thrills, etc.

Certain pieces of media are just admirable feats even if you aren't particularly fond of it.

And anyone who thinks The Godfather is genuinely Michael Bay/Tyler Perry bad obviously doesn't need to be watching movies...
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I agree, I can see why people love something even if I don't care for it.

I don't think the Godfather is bad at all, just way overrated by many people IMO. Seen it once and really have zero desire to see it again. Compared to a movie like Evil Dead II which is not even in the same ballpark as far as movie making goes but I have watched way too many times....

I would guess that applies to some rides as well for people. I think Splash is a more creative and better executed water ride than Ripsaw, but I would rather ride Ripsaw anyday of the week for example. Why? Hard to put in words really, but I just have more fun riding Ripsaw.

Only Tyler Perry movie I saw was the one where he played the cop, a dramatic actor he is not. Michael Bay movies are fine as long as the popcorn is flowing :)
 

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