Disney Playing catch up with Universal... Potter Disney's biggest mistake in 20 years...

[twebber55]

All we can do is wait and find out.
Marni says it won't be worth anyone's time....If you ridden soarin that is. it's the exact same thing with a new video, might as well put the avatar video in Epcot area..would work exactly the same.

All we can do is ride it ourselves and find out.

Will the boat ride have the detail of the seven dwarfs mine train? According to this website...doubtful.
It's been rumored to be built with second hand match sticks and wet cardboard. We will just have to wait and find out.

so you re saying we should wait to see and experience something before we condemn it forever? wow that's a strange opinion to have

 

[mahnamahna101]

again to each his own..i personally loved T2 but if we re really being objective and basing things on true merits of success both commercially and critically its really not even close even though I loved T2

T2 - 92% on RT, 94% audience rating
Avatar - 83% on RT, 84% audience rating

Not to mention all of the all time/essential movie lists that feature T2 and not Avatat

 

[twebber55]

T2 - 92% on RT, 94% audience rating
Avatar - 83% on RT, 84% audience rating

Not to mention all of the all time/essential movie lists that feature T2 and not Avatat

I was speaking in terms of awards but you made a good point....btw top critics was 87% so both are well received

 

[AndyMagic]

And have mostly forgotten.

Disney is certainly counting on this so they can pretend each new ride is "new and innovative" just like they're doing with the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train. Nearly every press release uses the word, "innovative" to describe it. Innovative how? Innovative accounting techniques to spread out costs over many fiscal years? Innovative use of plastic gems? Innovative iPads in the queue? Ride vehicles that produce a minor swaying sensation that can only be detected by riders with sophisticated on-board gyroscopes should in no way count as innovative from the company that built Tower of Terror and Indiana Jones.

 

[twebber55]

Disney is certainly counting on this so they can pretend each new ride is "new and innovative" just like they're doing with the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train. Nearly every press release uses the word, "innovative" to describe it. Innovative how? Innovative accounting techniques to spread out costs over many fiscal years? Innovative use of plastic gems? Innovative iPads in the queue? Ride vehicles that produce a minor swaying sensation that can only be detected by riders with sophisticated on-board gyroscopes should in no way count as innovative from the company that built Tower of Terror and Indiana Jones.

I really do like the ride its very smooth and the themeing is great its just over so fast

 

[AndyMagic]

I really do like the ride its very smooth and the themeing is great its just over so fast

I should be clear that I still think the Mine Train is a fun ride with nice details and a beautiful setting. Not every new ride has to be groundbreaking. The problem is that Disney doesn't really seem interested in going beyond "cute and fun" anymore.

 

[danlb_2000]

interesting that they did that considering how good the Terminator attraction is and that avatar was much bigger and better than Terminator

I enjoyed Avatar and don't think it's a bad movie, but either Terminator film is WAY better then Avatar.

 

[twebber55]

I enjoyed Avatar and don't think it's a bad movie, but either Terminator film is WAY better then Avatar.

I agree I loved T2
in my opinion based on facts that I ve looked at its a bigger deal than T2 especially globally ...my point was im not buying that Universal and Cameron made a great attraction but they decided to pass on Avatar...probably more internet myth

 

[danlb_2000]

that's why I said critically as well...

Rotten Tomatoes:
Terminator 2: Critics: 92%, Audience: 94%
Terminator: Critics: 100%, Audience: 88%
Avatar: Critics: 83%, Audience 82%

IMDB:
Termiantor 2: 8.5
Terimator 2: 8.1
Avatar: 7.9

 

[twebber55]

Rotten Tomatoes:
Terminator 2: Critics: 92%, Audience: 94%
Terminator: Critics: 100%, Audience: 88%
Avatar: Critics: 83%, Audience 82%

IMDB:
Termiantor 2: 8.5
Terimator 2: 8.1
Avatar: 7.9

right i saw those already

 

[AndyMagic]

I didn't see this brought up yet but Steve Burke and Ron Meyer came to 30 Rock in New York to do a "leadership spotlight" for all employees at Comcast and NBCUniversal. They were joined via satellite by Universal Creative. The entire presentation was exclusively about the Parks and Resorts division. Savannah Guthrie moderated the discussion and at one point she asked Steve Burke why Comcast is investing so heavily in the theme parks. His response was remarkably detailed and honest. He talked about how he has always loved theme parks both personally and as a business opportunity. He went through the financials for the parks and pointed out how they not only provide stable revenue but they also provide a great opportunity to create a positive image and brand for NBCUniversal as a whole. He said the key to a successful Parks and Resorts division is continued and aggressive investment across the board in rides and attractions. And then he brought up the D-word and said each expansion offers an opportunity to impress a first-time guest and that they plan to challenge the idea that Disney must be the de-facto premiere theme park destination. Universal Creative chimed in toward the end and said Burke actually encourages them to push the envelope and "go bigger." It's almost like this guy wants this to be his personal legacy.

 

[CinematicFusion]

so you re saying we should wait to see and experience something before we condemn it forever? wow that's a strange opinion to have

I know... I'm going out on a limb here. Sounds like so many of this board have already made up their minds in regards of what is to come.

Maybe the rides will suck and taint your view of Disney forever.
Maybe soarin 2.0 will be awesome and you will want to get right back in line and ride it again.

We will see

 

[lazyboy97o]

I know... I'm going out on a limb here. Sounds like so many of this board have already made up their minds in regards of what is to come.

Maybe the rides will suck and taint your view of Disney forever.
Maybe soarin 2.0 will be awesome and you will want to get right back in line and ride it again.

We will see

Some people also have issues not rooted in aesthetics or experience.

 

[twebber55]

I didn't see this brought up yet but Steve Burke and Ron Meyer came to 30 Rock in New York to do a "leadership spotlight" for all employees at Comcast and NBCUniversal. They were joined via satellite by Universal Creative. The entire presentation was exclusively about the Parks and Resorts division. Savannah Guthrie moderated the discussion and at one point she asked Steve Burke why Comcast is investing so heavily in the theme parks. His response was remarkably detailed and honest. He talked about how he has always loved theme parks both personally and as a business opportunity. He went through the financials for the parks and pointed out how they not only provide stable revenue but they also provide a great opportunity to create a positive image and brand for NBCUniversal as a whole. He said the key to a successful Parks and Resorts division is continued and aggressive investment across the board in rides and attractions. And then he brought up the D-word and said with each expansion offers an opportunity to impress a first-time guest and that they plan to challenge the idea that Disney must be the de-facto premiere theme park destination. Universal Creative chimed in toward the end and said Burke actually encourages them to push the envelope and "go bigger." It's almost like this guy wants this to be his personal legacy.

that's one of the things Universal has going for it..a CEO that believes in the theme park business and they actually love the idea of theme parks and theme park expansions...Burke seems to get it and im glad he doesn't shy away from wanting Disney to know they are more than ready to challenge disney

 

[marni1971]

All we can do is wait and find out.
Marni says it won't be worth anyone's time....If you ridden soarin that is. it's the exact same thing with a new video, might as well put the avatar video in Epcot area..would work exactly the same.

Hold yer horses!

I'm sure it'll be very nice. And I dare say I'll enjoy riding it once a trip. But it won't be the jaw dropping, top of the list to ride, state of the art, lengthy attraction that the expansion and the park sorely needs.

 

[TP2000]

I'm sure it'll be very nice. And I dare say I'll enjoy riding it once a trip. But it won't be the jaw dropping, top of the list to ride, state of the art, lengthy attraction that the expansion and the park sorely needs.

In that last sentence you just described Radiator Springs Racers, the E Ticket that anchors Cars Land. So we know Disney can do it. Heck, Tom Staggs even toured James Cameron around Cars Land and walked through Racers six months before it opened in 2012, just to show off to Cameron what WDI was capable of.

Tom Staggs - "We can make these mountains float, you know."

WDI can do it, and Burbank can pay for it. Now we just have to see if they really do it with Avatarland.

 

[CinematicFusion]

Hold yer horses!

I'm sure it'll be very nice. And I dare say I'll enjoy riding it once a trip. But it won't be the jaw dropping, top of the list to ride, state of the art, lengthy attraction that the expansion and the park sorely needs.

I know what you were saying...I'm just going a little hyperbole on a slow Saturday.

On the good news, I just got a confirmation from David's vacation club rental. I have two suites at the grand californian booked. Amazing the price difference going through those guys. Excited to explore Disneyland in Feb. And then DisneyWorld in Dec.(Grandparents paying for that one)

 

[AndyMagic]

WDI can do it, and Burbank can pay for it. Now we just have to see if they really do it with Avatarland.

Unless the show-building for the E-ticket in Pandora has secret underground show-scenes and the Soarin ride vehicles are attached to some sort of drop mechanism that releases them from the giant stationary screens then it is safe to assume that they won't "really do it" this time.

 

[Mike S]

I didn't see this brought up yet but Steve Burke and Ron Meyer came to 30 Rock in New York to do a "leadership spotlight" for all employees at Comcast and NBCUniversal. They were joined via satellite by Universal Creative. The entire presentation was exclusively about the Parks and Resorts division. Savannah Guthrie moderated the discussion and at one point she asked Steve Burke why Comcast is investing so heavily in the theme parks. His response was remarkably detailed and honest. He talked about how he has always loved theme parks both personally and as a business opportunity. He went through the financials for the parks and pointed out how they not only provide stable revenue but they also provide a great opportunity to create a positive image and brand for NBCUniversal as a whole. He said the key to a successful Parks and Resorts division is continued and aggressive investment across the board in rides and attractions. And then he brought up the D-word and said each expansion offers an opportunity to impress a first-time guest and that they plan to challenge the idea that Disney must be the de-facto premiere theme park destination. Universal Creative chimed in toward the end and said Burke actually encourages them to push the envelope and "go bigger." It's almost like this guy wants this to be his personal legacy.

 

[Quinnmac000]

The Banshee ride after all the budget cuts...