Fido Chuckwagon
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Wreck it Ralph 2 had a decent number of hilarious moments. It was probably more enjoyable for adults who got the jokes than kids.I loved all 3 of theseEspecially Wish
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Casper Gutman
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Iām very familiar with Disneyās historical output. Critical consensus misses the mark frequently, especially when a film is linked to an incredibly popular IP like Frozen. I adore the MCU and will defend it against a lot of criticism, but the ātomatoā rating of pre Phase 4 films was inflated about 10%. Looking at this list, the idea that Frozen is better then Alice in Wonderland, Ichabod and Mr Toad, The Rescuers, The Great Mouse Detective, Fox and the Hound, Melody Time, Hunchback, Fun and Fancy Free, Treasure Planet, Sword in the Stone, Aristocats, Robin Hood, Oliver and Company, etc. is utterly laughable. The only comparable non-TV spinoff, theatrical release Disney animated films (and Ducktales: The Movie, at least, is better by a significant margin) are Dinosaur, Home on the Range, Chicken Little, and Wish. What this list actually demonstrates is how wrong critical consensus at the moment of a filmās release can be.
All 73 Disney Animated Movies Ranked
We celebrate the best Disney animated movies, from Snow White and Pinocchio to Little Mermaid, Lion King, Aladdin, Frozen, and beyond!editorial.rottentomatoes.com
Critically, Frozen 2 is mid-pack. Audience reception was stronger. Iām certainly not opposed to subjectively drawing a line in the sand and lumping it in with the bad, but Disney has far more bad movies than you realize. So to be one of the worst, that includes roughly half of their output.
One of the worst princess musical movies, though! Wish and Pocahontas.
Frozen 2 is a bad movie, regardless of box office. It is unfocused and soulless with no reason to exist beyond the mercenary. It is very poorly written, with weak plotting, songs, and characterization. Thereās a reason its presence in the parks is practically nonexistent.
Gusey
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The only version of Anna and Elsa you can meet @ WDW are the ones in their Frozen 2 outfits. The whole Frozen float in Magic Happens at Disneyland is based on Frozen 2, not Frozen. The Playhouse in the Woods at Hong Kong Disneyland is solely based on Frozen 2. It's ok if you don't like the film, but Frozen has staying power and both films are represented in the parks.
BrianLo
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This is all your opinion... but I know you are arguing from a place of being already dug in to your position on this movie.
My nostalgia and some iconography aside, I personally (my opinion) think a lot of those movies you've listed are also mediocre. Though perhaps a few would fall above Frozen 2, I'd rank many below. I wouldn't say that's remotely laughable.
Casper Gutman
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Magic Happens debuted three months after Frozen 2 debuted in theaters and the float looks to be half Frozen 1 anyway. The Hong Kong show seems to be an original story that does integrate elements of 2ā¦ with music from the first film.
BrianLo
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Luminous, Believe! Sea of Dreams and DHS' Fantasmic (but you'd have to have seen that one)... honestly, you are really digging yourself into a hole on this one.
Fantasy Springs locale is technically set after the events of Frozen 2, anemically.
It's a bit disingenuous when the film only came out in 2019 and the physical Frozen projects pre-date that. But it's very present in most of their new night shows.
Casper Gutman
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You, of course, are not ādug in.ā
A few of the films I listed might fairly be labeled āmediocre.ā This is not inconsistent with their being significantly better than Frozen 2.
Itās worth noting I really, really like Frozen. I was not in any way, shape, or form inclined to dislike the sequel. My opinion was entirely shaped by the quality of the movie.
BrianLo
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I dunno, I think Frozen 2 is also mediocre/was a let down. I'm just trying to not be hyperbolic and was looking at the more objective measures.
Gusey
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Still Frozen 2 is still represented at the Disney Parks to this day, they weren't just temporary additions to promote Frozen 2 but permanent additions to the parks.
I do think that after Moana, there was an issue with creating great stories in Disney films, but I've still enjoyed the recent movies. They aren't masterpieces but still fun to watch, and sometimes movies just need to be that. Frozen 2 and Raya and the Last Dragon both had the same issue where the plot seemed to be about finding different things in different locations to make one big thing to stop an environmental threat, rather than having a human conflict like the first Frozen does. At least Encanto, stands out for the human conflict being a priority for the plot
Casper Gutman
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Iāll admit I was unaware of how hard they were pushing Into the Unknown. Thatās fair.
Casper Gutman
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There really arenāt any āobjective measuresā regarding the quality of art. Critical consensus can be useful, but as I said you have to account for the individual and institutional biases of the critics.
Rhinocerous
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I thought Frozen 2 was mixed bag. The story was very uneven. On the other hand, I really like Lost in the Woods, and I've heard Into the Unknown so many times that it has grown on me.
Unlike The Little Mermaid, which is an inarguable classic.
(On topic. Nailed it!)
Unlike The Little Mermaid, which is an inarguable classic.
(On topic. Nailed it!)
Ice Gator
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There were a few clever jokes when they visit the internet, but I canāt get past the main selling point of the movie being a big Disney+ (or in this case the now defunct Oh My Disney) advertisement.
My main issue beyond that is the character assassination of Ralph. They really turned him into a whiny doofus who at times was really creepy with his obsession over Vanellope in this one- Ralph was a completely different character in the first movie. He was a little rough around the edges, but wasnāt stupid by any means. I donāt know why they felt the need to make him so unlikeable in the sequel.
Animaniac93-98
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That Ralph Breaks the Internet, Frozen 2, Raya and the Last Dragon, Strange World and Wish were all released in short succession does not give me much confidence in Disney animaton proper.
The misses are not so rare anymore.
Brer Panther
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Hot take: I actually liked Strange World.
ToTBellHop
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TrainsOfDisney
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Do you think those are worse than Home on the Range, Bolt, Meet the Robinsons, and Chicken Little?
Animaniac93-98
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Not worse than that streak of films, but I'd say Disney animation is currently in a similar slump, even if ticket sales for some of them were strong.