News Disney plans to accelerate Parks investment to $60 billion over 10 years

[Eric Graham]

Is the Figment movie still happening?

I believe that DC Baker posted an article on here from Deadline that it is happening.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Once their current parks are saturated, it would make sense to build a new park at each resort years from now. I've never said this thing is starting tomorrow. That's especially true for WDW, but it applies to Disneyland as well. It's post-current-wave-of-expansions.

Actually it will never make sense to build a traditional “fifth gate” in Orlando. It’s not a matter of time, age or “saturation”…it’s society.

Two important concepts:
1. Park Cannibalism
2. The “Seven Day Wall”

You know where they know this?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRckIehhdIMFjffthNfiKR9vIJfSPimfD91nNHM9bGxGw&s

It’s not economically viable

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Isn't LA always heavily concerned with water shortages though? I'm sure a water park is logistically feasible, but I think might not play well from a PR perspective.

Aren’t you supposed to talk to water, Neptune?

 

[PREMiERdrum]

Isn't LA always heavily concerned with water

Actually it will never make sense to build a traditional “fifth gate” in Orlando. It’s not a matter of time, age or “saturation”…it’s society.

Two important concepts:
1. Park Cannibalism
2. The “Seven Day Wall”

You know where they know this?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRckIehhdIMFjffthNfiKR9vIJfSPimfD91nNHM9bGxGw&s

It’s not economically viable

Remember the pre-recession "Boutique WDW Park" rumors? Good times, good times.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Remember the pre-recession "Boutique WDW Park" rumors? Good times, good times.

Yeah…those kicked around for decades

Two words: discovery cove

If anything…now that they’ve kinda abandoned water parks…that’s what you’d see

We’ve scene hints of it over time. Notably the backstage safaris at DAK

and…of course…the galactic dumpster.
Which was a disaster on multiple planes.

 

[Eric Graham]

Yeah…those kicked around for decades

Two words: discovery cove

If anything…now that they’ve kinda abandoned water parks…that’s what you’d see

We’ve scene hints of it over time. Notably the backstage safaris at DAK

and…of course…the galactic dumpster.
Which was a disaster on multiple planes.

Discovery Cove is pretty awesome...what's wrong with Discovery Cove?

 

[PREMiERdrum]

Discovery Cove is pretty awesome...what's wrong with Discovery Cove?

Discovery Cove is awesome.

Disney has yet to find the map or motivation to adapt and scale the boutique model to work for them.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Discovery Cove is pretty awesome...what's wrong with Discovery Cove?

Discovery Cove is awesome.

Disney has yet to find the map or motivation to adapt and scale the boutique model to work for them.

Discovery Cove is what made ole Mike REALLY want a boutique…but his time (which was my time) had ended.

For some reason - they’ve never been able to really commit to a concept.
I mean - the parks function/profit off mass consumption - that is a fact…so they never probalcy wanted to take on overhead for something that could not be run that way…

But it’s not something they couldn’t succeed with if they are intelligent about it.

But this management is NOT intelligent about Orlando. It’s why they are stuck with a competitor gaining ground

 

[PREMiERdrum]

Discovery Cove is what made ole Mike REALLY want a boutique…but his time (which was my time) had ended.

For some reason - they’ve never been able to really commit to a concept.
I mean - the parks function/profit off mass consumption - that is a fact…so they never probalcy wanted to take on overhead for something that could not be run that way…

But it’s not something they couldn’t succeed with if they are intelligent about it.

But this management is NOT intelligent about Orlando. It’s why they are stuck with a competitor gaining ground

Starcruiser is as close as they've gotten, and we know how that went.

For a creative company, they've struggled for decades to balance creative innovation with business practicalities. Aside from solid handling of DCL, they've swung too far in one direction or the other with every move.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

Inside Out and Figment should both have a larger presence at WDW in the coming years.

An Inside Out 4D show is a no-brainer for the Imagination theater. They could even split the costs with DLR and DLP

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Starcruiser is as close as they've gotten, and we know how that went.

You mean a Partial, budget based commitment to a flawed idea…misreading the IP and market and an embarrassing price point?

 

[PREMiERdrum]

You mean a Partial, budget based commitment to a flawed idea…misreading the IP and market and an embarrassing price point?

One and the same.

 

[Tha Realest]

You mean a Partial, budget based commitment to a flawed idea…misreading the IP and market and an embarrassing price point?

I feel they had a choice between

1) Luxury priced SW original trilogy experience
2) More modestly priced SW new trilogy experience

And somehow they took the two more limiting aspects of both and went with that.

 

[James Alucobond]

I feel they had a choice between

1) Luxury priced SW original trilogy experience
2) More modestly priced SW new trilogy experience

And somehow they took the two more limiting aspects of both and went with that.

The original trilogy would not have saved it. The market for a locked-down faux cruise of mono-themed dinner theater and/or LARPing while the world’s premier theme parks sit inaccessible mere yards away is (shocker!) just not that big.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

The original trilogy would not have saved it. The market for a locked-down faux cruise of mono-themed dinner theater and/or LARPing while the world’s premier theme parks sit inaccessible mere yards away is (shocker!) just not that big.

inaccessible is dramatic, you spent majority of the second day (of the 2 night experience) at DHS

 

[James Alucobond]

inaccessible is dramatic, you spent majority of the second day (of the 2 night experience) at DHS

Perhaps I’m somewhat biased against DHS, but for the higher-than-normal price, it doesn’t feel like an effective use of my time in Disney World. I’m not saying there’s not a subset of the population that really enjoys it, just that I think the format is a bigger hurdle for most people than the precise subject matter. There wouldn’t suddenly be significantly more people flocking to it for the OT.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Perhaps I’m somewhat biased against DHS, but for the higher-than-normal price, it doesn’t feel like an effective use of my time in Disney World. I’m not saying there’s not a subset of the population that really enjoys it, just that I think the format is a bigger hurdle for most people than the precise subject matter. There wouldn’t suddenly be significantly more people flocking to it for the OT.

I understand what you’re saying, but this is also a portion of the issue, people who say “but the parks” have a serious misunderstanding of the experience. It wasn’t a hotel. It was a 46 hour “cruise”.

 

[James Alucobond]

I understand what you’re saying, but this is also a portion of the issue, people who say “but the parks” have a serious misunderstanding of the experience. It wasn’t a hotel. It was a 46 hour “cruise”.

I said faux cruise in my first post. I get it. I just think it’s an idea that didn’t resonate with the general public and, right or wrong, raises questions of “why would I go to Disney World to do that?” because of where it is physically situated.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I said faux cruise in my first post. I get it. I just think it’s an idea that didn’t resonate with the general public and, right or wrong, raises questions of “why would I go to Disney World to do that?” because of where it is physically situated.

I understand, and apologize that I missed that in your original post. Either way, it's closed and I don't think Disney will replicate it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I feel they had a choice between

1) Luxury priced SW original trilogy experience
2) More modestly priced SW new trilogy experience

And somehow they took the two more limiting aspects of both and went with that.

It was DOA without the OT or at least the option of all 3 eras.
The new one is awful…a joke…so much so they have admitted it by running screaming from it with all their D+ programming since. All of it.

The original trilogy would not have saved it. The market for a locked-down faux cruise of mono-themed dinner theater and/or LARPing while the world’s premier theme parks sit inaccessible mere yards away is (shocker!) just not that big.

It wouldn’t have saved it based on what they built

If it had immersive food locales…some
Kinda cool “galactic bar” at night…that would have helped

But what they did was DVC pool game
Caliber parlor tricks and rely on the park…which is frankly meh based on atrocious IP that gets worse by the day.

What they needed was like an indoor laser tag/battle type scenario. Think like the void (which was cumbersome but awesome) that mimics the Danger Room from Xmen

And a world class simulator/arcade type setup…

Both possible with todays tech

They did nothing of the sort. Great wolf lodge stuff without the water slides.