Disney on Top

[WDWLover#1]

Great bit of news, considering it's from general consensus-
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/top-...world-s-most-beloved-companies-211650796.html

 

[BigTxEars]

Good stuff. That is a win for the mouse for sure.

Going out on a limb here, this thread will go south quickly as the nay sayers chime in !

But Scoreboard Disney on this one, #1 baby!

 

[JimboJones123]

Nobody doubts they are #1.

They just seem to be working really hard to give up that position.

Seriously, if the average guest was informed as they walk through the gates that the CEO has no problem going on national TV to say his main goal is to exploit more and more dollars per day from every guest while providing less and less for their dollars, would they feel the same?

Not every guest sees these CNBC interviews when Iger does the unthinkable and flat out boasts over exploitation.

 

[JimboJones123]

And....

That's what she said.

 

[yeti]

What's the great news? That propaganda works?

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Agreed Jimbo. This article is right about one thing at least though- people are obsessed with brands, though definitely not in a healthy way as this article seems to be making it sound. There are SOME people in society actually dumb enough to buy a turd if Disney stamped their logo on it and sold it for $10...

I do love how this article tries to cover its by claiming they're not just looking at profitability, then immediately afterwards proceeds to cite the financial successes as the main reason they're listed... I can think of hilariously bad things about pretty much all of these companies that would instantly kick them off of an unbiased "customer's choice" award forever if the general public had any common sense or simple standards (and if political spin and sellouts didn't occur).

I will point two particularly hilarious parts that got me laughing my head off- the praise for Nestle's by listing their disgusting junk food garbage (popularity and profits does not a good product make). I also love the part about Yahoo being ranked higher than Google on this list, take a look at what site this article is on.

What's the great news? That propaganda works?

Yup. This gif about sums things up (insert your own brand and news source into the picture)-

 

[yeti]

Yup. This gif about sums things up (insert your own brand and news source into the picture)-

I agree with the sentiment...maybe not the example. If IGN's in bed with anyone, its Sony (but I don't really catch on with the hoopla..their reviews are pretty constructive I think. Now Polygon...). And people HATE EA. Not sure about the stance of "people in 15 major global markets".

 

[BigTxEars]

See how fast the nay sayers arrived?

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

I agree with the sentiment...maybe not the example. If IGN's in bed with anyone, its Sony (but I don't really catch on with the hoopla..their reviews are pretty constructive I think. Now Polygon...). And people HATE EA. Not sure about the stance of "people in 15 major global markets".

Of all the game review sites out there, Gamespot is actually the one that quite literally got caught pants down effectively taking bribes (check google for the jeff gerstmann incident for clarification). But there's a lot of bribery crap to go around with a number of game companies and reviewers, it's not just Gamespot or IGN. I just posted that gif because it's a hilarious look at how the money game works with these companies and media sites. One can literally punch in any brand or news source that fits into this gif.

See how fast the nay sayers arrived?

Always happy to counter the BS you and your buds spew with logic and fact.

 

[yeti]

See how fast the nay sayers arrived?

Oh, yeah. Looks like you shouldn't quit your day job

 

[BigTxEars]

Of all the game review sites out there, Gamespot is actually the one that quite literally got caught pants down effectively taking bribes (check google for the jeff gerstmann incident for clarification). I just posted that gif because it's a hilarious look at how the money game works with these companies and media sites. One can literally punch in any brand or news source that fits into this gif.


Always happy to counter the BS you and your buds spew with logic and fact.

The 70,000 people in the survey or APCO Worldwide are getting slipped money from the mouse? That is your expert opinion? Any proof at all other than your opinion? Any.....at all???? Yeah did not think so.

I am not buds with APCO nor any of these 70,000 people that I know of. And Disney is not a client of APCO Worldwide from anything I can find.

Where is there a single fact posted on this thread about these results not being 100% legit? Point it out if it's there.....logic is debatable, facts are not...

Your conjecture is not fact, by all means if you know something we do not that shows some dishonestly in these results post it.

Again scoreboard Disney.

Let's see over a billion box office for Frozen, which set DVD sales records as well. ESPN owns the sports market, the parks had record attendance and revenue last Q......Disney picks up two huge properties in Marvel and Star Wars recently, Avatar is coming to AK, based on the highest grossing film of all time world wide. With both Frozen at number 10 on that list and Avengers at number 3.

Yeah that sounds like a company that has to buy some positive reactions from the general population.

 

[BigTxEars]

Oh, yeah. Looks like you shouldn't quit your day job

I like my day job, not wanting to quit

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Anyone who isn't going by profits alone who would rank the quality of these companies listed by Yahoo above more deserving ones suffer from any of the three following explanations (or a mixture of all)-
1- Being paid or coerced in some manner
2- Brand fanboys (this can be compared to being coerced, though in this case it's more brain washing that being paid money)
3- Lacking in decent standards of quality (this would explain why people are in love with Nestle's nasty junk food listed in the article)

It's likely not #1, but it is likely to be a mixture of 2 and 3. And yes this absolutely is a thing that happens.

I like Frozen a good deal, but it's highly overrated. There's also not always a correlation between profits and quality movies either, see the financial success of garbage like the Transformers and Twilight movies. Frozen deserves to do well because it is a good movie, but there have been plenty of less successful movies that were superior to it, including some of the Eisner era animated movies. Hell, a number of Walt Disney's earlier movies were considered massive financial flops despite being fantastic and almost destroyed his company (Fantasia is a good example and i'd argue it's one of if not THE greatest artistic achievement the animation genre has ever seen). The box office is not a foolproof indication of quality by any stretch...

 

[BigTxEars]

Anyone who isn't going by profits alone who would rank the quality of these companies listed by Yahoo above more deserving ones suffer from any of the three following explanations (or a mixture of all)-
1- Being paid or coerced in some manner
2- Brand fanboys (this can be compared to being coerced, though in this case it's more brain washing that being paid money)
3- Lacking in decent standards of quality (this would explain why people are in love with Nestle's nasty junk food listed in the article)

It's likely not #1, but it is likely to be a mixture of 2 and 3. And yes this absolutely is a thing that happens.

I like Frozen a good deal, but it's highly overrated. There's also not always a correlation between profits and quality movies either, see the financial success of garbage like the Transformers and Twilight movies. Frozen deserves to do well because it is a good movie, but there have been plenty of less successful movies that were superior to it, including some of the Eisner era animated movies. Hell, a number of Walt Disney's earlier movies were considered massive financial flops despite being fantastic and almost destroyed his company (Fantasia is a good example and i'd argue it's one of if not THE greatest artistic achievement the animation genre has ever seen). The box office is not a foolproof indication of quality by any stretch...

Thats the point of surveys like these, to collect a wide range of opinions to get a better sense of the overall rating of these companies in the general population. This one had 70,000 people, thats a pretty darn good range. Disney was on the top, other would put a different company in that position. But as a group the 70,000 people chose Disney. To call those results false without any thing to even remotely prove that is crazy IMO.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Thats the point of surveys like these, to collect a wide range of opinions to get a better sense of the overall rating of these companies in the general population. This one had 70,000 people, thats a pretty darn good range. Disney was on the top, other would put a different company in that position. But as a group the 70,000 people chose Disney. To call those results false without any thing to even remotely prove that is crazy IMO.

The results likely are not false in the traditional sense, but in this case the survey may either have been loaded with a specific preset list of companies (disregarding choices that would help kick these companies off a list, the illusion of having a real choice in the matter), or more likely the people that took the survey (as is the case with many in our modern era society) simply were lacking in proper standards or are fanboys of a brand. Instead of objectively quantifying what they like about the product over another with an unbiased mind and good tastes. Some people have their heads so far up the corporate bum that they'd choose McDonalds fries over gourmet ones prepared by a 5 star restaurant (even refusing to try anything else). They live in a bubble lacking in standards, and that is not something anyone needs evidence for.

It's entirely plausible the survey was loaded though, this quite often happens. Many surveys handed out at Disney parks are loaded so you can't choose an opinion that you wished to express (got one of these at Animal Kingdom once a few years ago that was skewed to not allow criticism levied at poor maintenance or not enough rides). Like a Pepsi survey that asks people to compare Pepsi to other cola brands, but choosing to conveniently not include Coca Cola in the survey.

 

[TubaGeek]

I wouldn't disagree with this.
A) Why else would people give Disney so much money?
B) I love Disney movies. I love Marvel comic books. I love Star Wars. I love the legacy of the parks. The only things I DON'T like about Disney are current theme park management and the Disney Channel.

 

[BigTxEars]

The results likely are not false in the traditional sense, but in this case the survey may either have been loaded with a specific preset list of companies (disregarding choices that would help kick these companies off a list, the illusion of having a real choice in the matter), or more likely the people that took the survey (as is the case with many in our modern era society) simply were lacking in proper standards or are fanboys of a brand. Instead of objectively quantifying what they like about the product over another with an unbiased mind and good tastes. Some people have their heads so far up the corporate bum that they'd choose McDonalds fries over gourmet ones prepared by a 5 star restaurant (even refusing to try anything else). They live in a bubble lacking in standards, and that is not something anyone needs evidence for.

It's entirely plausible the survey was loaded though, this quite often happens. Many surveys handed out at Disney parks are loaded so you can't choose an opinion that you wished to express (got one of these at Animal Kingdom once a few years ago that was skewed to not allow criticism levied at poor maintenance or not enough rides). Like a Pepsi survey that asks people to compare Pepsi to other cola brands, but choosing to conveniently not include Coca Cola in the survey.

No offense but at first you implied it was a bribe that resulted in Disney being on top, now it's a weighted survey in favor of Disney?

It's 70,000 people surveyed by a world wide consulting company, not by Disney. Is there even a chance in your mind the results are just what they are and are legit?

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

I wouldn't disagree with this.
A) Why else would people give Disney so much money?
B) I love Disney movies. I love Marvel comic books. I love Star Wars. I love the legacy of the parks. The only things I DON'T like about Disney are current theme park management and the Disney Channel.

At least Disneyland and the international parks have been treated better than WDW. Again, also enjoyed Frozen despite its flaws, agreed that the channel needs massive work. I wouldn't rank Disney at the highest, but with Comcast and Time Warner involved I also wouldn't necessarily rank Universal at the top either (unless we were singling out the theme parks specifically and not the company as a whole).

It's actually Nestle's supposed "quality" that has me rubbed the wrong way about this list, with the list of mediocre to nasty junk food as a reason to like it. The ranking of Yahoo over Google stinks of fish a lot too given who is hosting this article...

No offense but at first you implied it was a bribe that resulted in Disney being on top, now it's a weighted survey in favor of Disney?

It's 70,000 people surveyed by a world wide consulting company, not by Disney. Is there even a chance in your mind the results are just what they are and are legit?

I gave you a number of reasons these results could have occurred under less than legit circumstances, bribery was only one of those possibilities. A lack of standards in the people surveyed mixed with brand fanboyism and possibly loaded surveys are all more likely in this case though, some or all of those are potential reasons for this.

Disney has plenty of lifestylers to shill for them without even needing to pay for them, that's probably only a last resort to get what they want. They've got people addicted without paying anyone off. If there was any bribery involved, it may have simply been Disney paying the survey taker to manipulate the list of choices. But again, people are already addicted enough that they probably don't need to do that. So it still probably comes down to poor standards.

 

[NearTheEars]

The results likely are not false in the traditional sense, but in this case the survey may either have been loaded with a specific preset list of companies (disregarding choices that would help kick these companies off a list, the illusion of having a real choice in the matter), or more likely the people that took the survey (as is the case with many in our modern era society) simply were lacking in proper standards or are fanboys of a brand. Instead of objectively quantifying what they like about the product over another with an unbiased mind and good tastes. Some people have their heads so far up the corporate bum that they'd choose McDonalds fries over gourmet ones prepared by a 5 star restaurant (even refusing to try anything else). They live in a bubble lacking in standards, and that is not something anyone needs evidence for.

It's entirely plausible the survey was loaded though, this quite often happens. Many surveys handed out at Disney parks are loaded so you can't choose an opinion that you wished to express (got one of these at Animal Kingdom once a few years ago that was skewed to not allow criticism levied at poor maintenance or not enough rides). Like a Pepsi survey that asks people to compare Pepsi to other cola brands, but choosing to conveniently not include Coca Cola in the survey.

I try not to get involved in these ing matches, but from what I gather, you believe the opinions of these 70,000 fanboys shouldn't count, but yours should.

Doesn't seem fair.

I know I'm in the minority, but I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even if they are in love with the brand, that's still their opinion.

And you are entitled to yours also. I just hate to see others' opinions discounted like they are idiots for liking something.

 

[BigTxEars]

At least Disneyland and the international parks have been treated better than WDW. Again, also enjoyed Frozen despite its flaws, agreed that the channel needs massive work. I wouldn't rank Disney at the highest, but with Comcast and Time Warner involved I also wouldn't necessarily rank Universal at the top either (unless we were singling out the theme parks specifically and not the company as a whole).

It's actually Nestle's supposed "quality" that has me rubbed the wrong way about this list, with the list of mediocre to nasty junk food as a reason to like it. The ranking of Yahoo over Google stinks of fish a lot too given who is hosting this article...


I gave you a number of reasons these results could have occurred, bribery was only one of those possibilities. A lack of standards mixed with brand fanboyism and possibly loaded surveys are all more likely in this case though, some or all of those are potential reasons for this. And Disney has plenty of lifestylers to shill for them without even needing to pay for them, that's probably only a last resort to get what they want. They've got people addicted without paying anyone off.

LOL it's 70,000 people from 15 markets, it's not like they were standing in front a meeting of DisneyFansUnited and polled 15 people as they left the meeting.

Again no offense but all you offered was your conjecture based on not even the hint of anything factual. It seems like simple Disney bashing to me.