Disney on Top

[jensenrick]

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[MerlinTheGoat]

I try not to get involved in these ing matches, but from what I gather, you believe the opinions of these 70,000 fanboys shouldn't count, but yours should.

Doesn't seem fair.

I know I'm in the minority, but I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even if they are on love with the brand, that's still their opinion.

And you are entitled to yours also. I just hate to see others' opinions discounted like they are idiots for liking something.

I believe that everyone is entitled to a well reasoned opinion, no one is entitled to ignorance however. Not having decent standards is bad for society as a whole however. If someone were to try to tell me that they prefer Imagination versions 2 or 3 over 1 (which i have actually met someone on this forum who did ride all versions and preferred the newer ones), or simply preferred them because they just didn't know any better, i'd love to hear what ridiculous arguments they could make up to explain why they made such a choice. Same as someone who prefers McDonalds (legitimately prefers the taste and quality of food and not just because it's cheap) to a 5-star restaurant, same thing.

When I enjoy something or dislike something, it's because I looked at it critically and went through why I did. I try not to let blind fanboyism, corporate brainwashing or lowest common denominator pandering lead my feelings. Much of society does however. One reason why I enjoyed Disney so much prior to their decline in the mid 90's and beyond is because they tended to set new and ever higher standards of entertainment in ALL aspects of their company (movies, TV, park rides etc).

LOL it's 70,000 people from 15 markets, it's not like they were standing in front a meeting of DisneyFansUnited and polled 15 people as they left the meeting.

Again no offense but all you offered was your conjecture based on not even the hint of anything factual. It seems like simple Disney bashing to me.

Wrong. I love Disney, it may be my favorite thing on earth even still despite the huge mess. I do however heavily dislike Iger and much of what has been done particularly to WDW under both his and Eisner's (in his later years) regimes. I'm simply informing you of how these polls and the people who do them are often manipulated in whatever way there may be. And that the financial success of a company is not always directly traceable to an improvement in quality.

 

[BigTxEars]

I believe that everyone is entitled to a well reasoned opinion, no one is entitled to ignorance however. Not having decent standards is bad for society as a whole however. If someone were to try to tell me that they prefer Imagination versions 2 or 3 over 1 (which i have actually met someone on this forum who did ride all versions and preferred the newer ones), or simply preferred them because they just didn't know any better, i'd love to hear what ridiculous arguments they could make up to explain why they made such a choice. Same as someone who prefers McDonalds (legitimately prefers the taste and quality of food and not just because it's cheap) to a 5-star restaurant, same thing.

When I enjoy something or dislike something, it's because I looked at it critically and went through why I did. I try not to let blind fanboyism, corporate brainwashing or lowest common denominator pandering lead my feelings. Much of society does however. One reason why I enjoyed Disney so much prior to their decline in the mid 90's and beyond is because they tended to set new and ever higher standards of entertainment in ALL aspects of their company (movies, TV, park rides etc).

Fair enough, but there is a difference between saying you disagree with the results of a poll and saying it is illegitimate. A big difference. I did not vote for Obama, I do not care for him at all. But I do not think the election was illegitimate or that the results were not the will of those who voted.

 

[WDWDad13]

Agreed Jimbo. This article is right about one thing at least though- people are obsessed with brands, though definitely not in a healthy way as this article seems to be making it sound. There are SOME people in society actually dumb enough to buy a turd if Disney stamped their logo on it and sold it for $10...

Oh you mean EXACTLY like the Apple logo? lol

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Fair enough, but there is a difference between saying you disagree with the results of a poll and saying it is illegitimate. A big difference. I did not vote for Obama, I do not care for him at all. But I do not think the election was illegitimate or that the results were not the will of those who voted.

I'm curious as to what you think about the 2000 election's legitimacy. You don't have to answer that if you don't wish to, this forum could probably do without a political war. I don't like Obama either (at least not anymore given what has come of his regime), dislike both him and Bush for their own individual reasons. The candidates are effectively picked for us though long before we have a chance to vote. A sort of illusion of choice, like what I mentioned above about loading a survey or poll without outright paying the people or doing anything strictly illegal...

Oh you mean EXACTLY like the Apple logo? lol

Oh hey, we agree on something (never been a fan of Apple even growing up using Apple computers as a child).

 

[BigTxEars]

Oh you mean EXACTLY like the Apple logo? lol

Apple is awesome, been using it since 1986 with my trusty Apple IIc baby! It's become trendy for sure but that does not take away the history and heritage of a really great tech company.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

It's not that I like other computer and phone brands much better (i'm not really a corporate lover of any sort), but i've had some bad experiences with Apple computers and phones. Even the older stuff before it became hip to use iPhones and iPads. Also detest their business practices overall as well as copyright trolling.

 

[BigTxEars]

I'm curious as to what you think about the 2000 election's legitimacy. You don't have to answer that if you don't wish to, this forum could probably do without a political war. I don't like Obama either (at least not anymore given what has come of his regime), dislike both him and Bush for their own individual reasons. The candidates are effectively picked for us though long before we have a chance to vote. A sort of illusion of choice, like what I mentioned above about loading a survey or poll without outright paying the people or doing anything strictly illegal...


Oh hey, we agree on something.

I think 2000 was a hot mess that could have gone either way. Most polls or elections on a large scale are at least clear in their winner even if close. That one was just too close to declare a winner without a lot of doubt involved. I was happy with the results (I voted Bush) but I can understand how those on the other side were not. I will say it was huge test of the American political system and that came thru with flying colors, with all the hate and disagreement and with feelings at a fevered pitch there was no real violence. Many place in the world there would have been troops in the streets if that kind of election occurred.

 

[englanddg]

I'm curious as to what you think about the 2000 election's legitimacy. You don't have to answer that if you don't wish to, this forum could probably do without a political war. I don't like Obama either (at least not anymore given what has come of his regime), dislike both him and Bush for their own individual reasons. The candidates are effectively picked for us though long before we have a chance to vote. A sort of illusion of choice, like what I mentioned above about loading a survey or poll without outright paying the people or doing anything strictly illegal...


Oh hey, we agree on something.

It's not an illusion of choice, though many people seem to have trouble wrapping their heads around the concept of the electoral college (and why it is generally a good idea, flaws and all).

When it comes to selecting candidates, I'm not a fan of delegate votes not tied to the primary votes, and I'm not fond of a closed primary system. I am also not a fan of superdelegates.

However, each party is allowed to set their own rules, within FEC guidelines. So...meh.

 

[WDWDad13]

Apple is awesome, been using it since 1986 with my trusty Apple IIc baby! It's become trendy for sure but that does not take away the history and heritage of a really great tech company.

I forgot to say:
Posted from my iPhone that keeps getting worse every time apple updates iOS which should probably start being called iOopS . All the problems people used to not like from Microsoft is becoming apples problem now too. Sad but true. Again I have an iPhone but there are definite things about android and windows I like better. Apple needs another wow product...but well....just like Disney and e-ticket rides....it's been awhile

 

[BigTxEars]

It's not that I like other computer and phone brands much better (i'm not really a corporate lover of any sort), but i've had some bad experiences with Apple computers and phones. Even the older stuff before it became hip to use iPhones and iPads. Also detest their business practices overall as well as copyright trolling.

I can not imagine using Windows at home, I do at work and I just never feel comfy with it. I love OS X, although the latest update has some issue it seems.

Ahh those were the days

My Tangerine clamshell iBook still fires up fine with OS9!

 

[Unplugged]

There are SOME people in society actually dumb enough to buy a turd if Disney stamped their logo on it and sold it for $10...

Not quite and you should know better! They must be branded after a princess. Everyone here knows the Pirate turds never sold well, and the Cars turds (potatoes for the tailpipes) never took off outside of Cali.

(...Sorry. Couldn't resist!)

 

[yeti]

Of all the game review sites out there, Gamespot is actually the one that quite literally got caught pants down effectively taking bribes (check google for the jeff gerstmann incident for clarification). But there's a lot of bribery crap to go around with a number of game companies and reviewers, it's not just Gamespot or IGN. I just posted that gif because it's a hilarious look at how the money game works with these companies and media sites. One can literally punch in any brand or news source that fits into this gif.

I've resented Gamespot reviews for a while now, so that was an incredibly amusing story to hear.

 

[Cesar R M]

Agreed Jimbo. This article is right about one thing at least though- people are obsessed with brands, though definitely not in a healthy way as this article seems to be making it sound. There are SOME people in society actually dumb enough to buy a turd if Disney stamped their logo on it and sold it for $10...

I do love how this article tries to cover its by claiming they're not just looking at profitability, then immediately afterwards proceeds to cite the financial successes as the main reason they're listed... I can think of hilariously bad things about pretty much all of these companies that would instantly kick them off of an unbiased "customer's choice" award forever if the general public had any common sense or simple standards (and if political spin and sellouts didn't occur).

I will point two particularly hilarious parts that got me laughing my head off- the praise for Nestle's by listing their disgusting junk food garbage (popularity and profits does not a good product make). I also love the part about Yahoo being ranked higher than Google on this list, take a look at what site this article is on.


Yup. This gif about sums things up (insert your own brand and news source into the picture)-

Could be worse.
Anyone remembers when GameSPOT fired reviewers because they gave a MEDIOCRE score to KANE & LYNCH games?
And the company (Eidos) was a very big sponsorship of GameSpot at the time. (hell, during that time.. Gamespot had background of Kane & Lynch)

Also I agree with you on the Yahoo thing... It doesn't make sense.

Anyone who isn't going by profits alone who would rank the quality of these companies listed by Yahoo above more deserving ones suffer from any of the three following explanations (or a mixture of all)-
1- Being paid or coerced in some manner
2- Brand fanboys (this can be compared to being coerced, though in this case it's more brain washing that being paid money)
3- Lacking in decent standards of quality (this would explain why people are in love with Nestle's nasty junk food listed in the article)

It's likely not #1, but it is likely to be a mixture of 2 and 3. And yes this absolutely is a thing that happens.

I like Frozen a good deal, but it's highly overrated. There's also not always a correlation between profits and quality movies either, see the financial success of garbage like the Transformers and Twilight movies. Frozen deserves to do well because it is a good movie, but there have been plenty of less successful movies that were superior to it, including some of the Eisner era animated movies. Hell, a number of Walt Disney's earlier movies were considered massive financial flops despite being fantastic and almost destroyed his company (Fantasia is a good example and i'd argue it's one of if not THE greatest artistic achievement the animation genre has ever seen). The box office is not a foolproof indication of quality by any stretch...

Agree again, things like online reviews can be skewed REALLY HARD.. specially polling by BOTS and fangroups.
A single big fan of some company with stock.. might invite all the members of their site to vote for said company. A fine example of "trolling voting" or "Carrying" was during" the BEST VIDEO GAME CHARACTER OF THE CENTURY" or "Character Battle" a few years ago...
It made many important characters lose badly vote-wise (due of bots) to awful or unpopular game characters.

Creating battles that ended being ALL-NINTENDO many times.
or IGN's "Greatest Game Hero of All Time"... It ended Mario vs Gordon Freeman...
Where there was a huge influx of users (specially from the forums of Valve's STEAM) to vote for GORDON AT ALL COSTS.
And a few people claimed they had netbots voting for Freeman.

The 70,000 people in the survey or APCO Worldwide are getting slipped money from the mouse? That is your expert opinion? Any proof at all other than your opinion? Any.....at all???? Yeah did not think so.

Remember that famous quote from Men in Black.
A person.. is smart.. People in general are DUMB.

They tend to flock or move around popular things regardless what they are about(the Mob or Pack mentality)
Or the one thing they recognize.

Popularity of Disney just for the sake of being "Disney", is a huge draw.
Just check out these sad reports that some people voted for Frozen on the Oscars( or just refuse to vote.. ) because they didn't take animation seriously or they were forced "by their kids" to see it.

But then I cant comment further because I do not know APCO. So cant comment if they can be trusted or not in their polls. But I still find Sony to be as high as they are.. years ago they were hated A LOT due of the security breaches, bad products.. failures of their products, the fall of their TV division.. the removal of many features on the PS3...etc..
But things seemed to change a lot due of Price(better than Microsoft's offers) and strength of Sony PS4 vs Microsoft Xbox one and their new camera, phone and other offers.

Speaking of this quote

15 major global markets on their feelings about 569 different companies

I suppose only the biggest ones count? (aka Europe, USA, Asia?)

I've resented Gamespot reviews for a while now, so that was an incredibly amusing story to hear.

which is becoming more and more usual.. even in hardware.

Nvidia as been caught outright on this; telling reviewers how they wont give them free samples of video cards, unless they give a better score ratio than certain number.
YIKES!

 

[englanddg]

I forgot to say:
Posted from my iPhone that keeps getting worse every time apple updates iOS which should probably start being called iOopS . All the problems people used to not like from Microsoft is becoming apples problem now too. Sad but true. Again I have an iPhone but there are definite things about android and windows I like better. Apple needs another wow product...but well....just like Disney and e-ticket rides....it's been awhile

MS was becoming a problem, until they decided to screw up their newest OS (and lets not get into browsers...IE 11 is disgustingly bad).

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

It's not an illusion of choice, though many people seem to have trouble wrapping their heads around the concept of the electoral college (and why it is generally a good idea, flaws and all).

When it comes to selecting candidates, I'm not a fan of delegate votes not tied to the primary votes, and I'm not fond of a closed primary system. I am also not a fan of superdelegates.

However, each party is allowed to set their own rules, within FEC guidelines. So...meh.

I wasn't referring to the electoral when I said the illusion of choice. I was referring to the manner in which by the time the actual election comes around, our choices of candidates are kind of already decided (primaries and such). By that point, to put it in South Park terms, the choice between a turd sandwich and a giant . I detest both major parties, internally I think they've become more and more alike the further along in time we go.

I think the electoral was more useful during a time when it was difficult to count ballots from all the many states with such primitive tech. I understand it and all, but nowadays I think it has kind of run out of its usefulness and can be more of a hindrance as a whole. I've come to be very anti political and don't wish to sound like i'm bitter about a candidate (because I really don't like either of the two leading parties whatsoever), but I'll still state what I feel are flaws in the system.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

@Cesar R M

That Kane & Lynch review was the Jeff Gerstmann incident I mentioned above. Pretty nasty situation, but the upside is gamers at least were given a wakeup call for what review site never to use again (though many have forgotten them now). Nintendo fans have also caught them in some other BS in recent years.

 

[Cesar R M]

@Cesar R M

That Kane & Lynch review was the Jeff Gerstmann incident I mentioned above. Pretty nasty situation, but the upside is gamers at least were given a wakeup call for what review site never to use again (though many have forgotten them now).

Aaah I see!
I just there were other cases too, involving IGN and GAMESPOT.. I tough you were mentioning these other things.
I still agree with your point. Very nasty thing.

I honestly tend to rely now on Metacritic than just a single site.

 

[englanddg]

I wasn't referring to the electoral when I said the illusion of choice. I was referring to the manner in which by the time the actual election comes around, our choices of candidates are kind of already decided (primaries and such). By that point, to put it in South Park terms, the choice between a turd sandwich and a giant . I detest both major parties, internally I think they've become more and more alike the further along in time we go.

I think the electoral was more useful during a time when it was difficult to count ballots from all the many states with such primitive tech. I understand it and all, but nowadays I think it has kind of run out of its usefulness and can be more of a hindrance as a whole. I've come to be very anti political and don't wish to sound like i'm bitter about a candidate (because I really don't like either of the two leading parties whatsoever), but I'll still state what I feel are flaws in the system.

There certainly are flaws with any system. I'd say our primary system is far more flawed when compared to the general election.

However, the purpose of the electoral college is not to allow powerhouse states to control elections. Unfortunately, the current system doesn't work. We are in an age where two or three "swing states" can flip an election on its head, and that's not at all the intent of the system.

I wouldn't be against a strictly populous vote for President. But, in reality, it doesn't make that much of a difference.

 

[bhg469]

LOL it's 70,000 people from 15 markets, it's not like they were standing in front a meeting of DisneyFansUnited and polled 15 people as they left the meeting.

Again no offense but all you offered was your conjecture based on not even the hint of anything factual. It seems like simple Disney bashing to me.

I was hoping to be surveyed, I was totally dissatisfied about how mm+ discourages you from visiting multiple parks. I have always hated the cost of a single day ticket and now its even harder to agree to it even though I used to be able to do this easily.