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[Goofyernmost]

Stale shows leads to less space being used despite having the capacity. Therefore you wont have a show at full capacity or at full efficiency putting the strain in to other areas and thus causing uneven maintenance... Then a stale show wont get more people to come to your park. It makes (in the case of Disney World) to make them flee to another park (most probably Magic Kingdom) and make the strain even harder on a park by a person that didnt give you more money to enter this park(hopper).

Hows that for looking with Disney glasses? They are technically losing money and making them use more resources to move them between parks (more buses).

Well, wouldn't shows that no longer draw people in not what we are talking about here. I can't for a second think that Disney would spend all kinds of money on a show, salaries, etc. if it weren't still producing an audience. It goes back to my original though and the word "stale". They are stale only to the obsesses who probably weren't all that excited about it to begin with. Stale happens when you have seen something so many times that you say the dialog as it is being performed. Not that many people do that. It is also my belief that no SHOW will, in and of itself, sell a ticket to WDW.

 

[Biff215]

Seeing reports that people don't have GMR as a FP option for August.

That's not a good sign. I make FP in a week for late August. Might make me change our second "half" day there to a park with a full offering of attractions.

 

[Phicinfan]

Eh, I in no way accept the claim that they couldn't "afford" to fix and run GMR and build Mickey separately. They are choosing not to do so, but it's not because they can't afford to run GMR. DHS costs more to enter than ever and yet has fewer attractions now than it has had in 23 years. If GMR could run in 1994 when guests paid $35 or $40 to enter, it could run still with guests paying over $100 to enter.

No offense, please read closer to what I said. I never said they could not afford to fix and build elsewhere, nor they could not fix and maintain, what I stated is what @marni1971 said, which is the ride and ride vehicles are a mess, and it would be extremely expensive to fix and is costly to run. What I stated is, due to that, Disney made a decision to make a less expensive move, and do the removal of GMR and replace. As stated, I love GMR, but am excited for mickey ride as well. Change happens. As an engineer, I get making tough decisions for what is needed. I also get moving to new ride and ride system, may be best overall, and I still hold out hope they will eventually add more to DHS once SWE, TSL and Mickey are completed.

 

[Bocabear]

True no individual show will sell a ticket to the park, but it will make a difference in how long you stay at that park...or if you skip it entirely because you have seen that same show 35 times and the effects pver time have degraded and it's just not fresh anymore...and that is why DHS is more of a half day park to me...
I remember The Voyage Of The Little Mermaid back in the 90s...it was fresh and wow and the performers were amazing...23 years later after seeing it a dozen times or more and the last few times not beinf so impressed with it, I now skip it...
So for me, the park is totally half a day... BATB show, VOTLM show, IJSS, to a customer that has been paying to go to this park every year for the last 20 something years, these shows have become stale.. It is time to retire and replace... The rides never seem to get stale to me...but the shows...absolutely.
Why couldn't we have goptten the Aladdin show when it closed in California? DCA has had several different shows in their big theater, and we have gotten only the same shows in the same theaters from day 1
DHS purpose-built a stadium for Fantasmic, but somehow our Fantasmic is still less than it's Disneyland counterpart...and Disneyland's set has to do double duty during the day as part of Tom Sawyer's Island... no reason that the WDW version should not be twice as spectacular as it's California counterpert, but instead it feels reduced... and it is this reason and the staleness of the other shows that makes the park rely more heavily on it's rides...
and when there are only 5 rides, soon to be 4, it is a problem.

 

[Casper Gutman]

No offense, please read closer to what I said. I never said they could not afford to fix and build elsewhere, nor they could not fix and maintain, what I stated is what @marni1971 said, which is the ride and ride vehicles are a mess, and it would be extremely expensive to fix and is costly to run. What I stated is, due to that, Disney made a decision to make a less expensive move, and do the removal of GMR and replace. As stated, I love GMR, but am excited for mickey ride as well. Change happens. As an engineer, I get making tough decisions for what is needed. I also get moving to new ride and ride system, may be best overall, and I still hold out hope they will eventually add more to DHS once SWE, TSL and Mickey are completed.

What is "needed" at MGM is CAPACITY, and they aren't interested in providing that. What they are most interested in is providing the illusion of change at the lowest possible cost. (Yes, this is an oversimplification regarding SWL, but for GMR and TSL - it's pretty accurate.)

They could repair and update GMR AND build Mickey and it would not substantially impact their financial position. It's a drop in the bucket. Look at what they happily spend on stock buybacks. Also, bear in mind they have really not been spending on WDW infrastructure outside of MM+ for nearly 15 years.

As to holding out hope - the word from insiders is pretty much not to bother. What we know about is what we're getting in terms of the MGM makeover. Sure, there may be additions years in the future, but they ain't part of this project.

I have to admit, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop with regards to SWL - is the Escape ride going to be mainly AAs or screenz? We used to hear AAs, but I wonder...

 

[ToTBellHop]

Seeing reports that people don't have GMR as a FP option for August.

Not true. FP+ for my trip just opened and the last day we are at DHS, 8/20, has GMR available.

 

[Kman101]

What is "needed" at MGM is CAPACITY, and they aren't interested in providing that. What they are most interested in is providing the illusion of change at the lowest possible cost. (Yes, this is an oversimplification regarding SWL, but for GMR and TSL - it's pretty accurate.)

They could repair and update GMR AND build Mickey and it would not substantially impact their financial position. It's a drop in the bucket. Look at what they happily spend on stock buybacks. Also, bear in mind they have really not been spending on WDW infrastructure outside of MM+ for nearly 15 years.

As to holding out hope - the word from insiders is pretty much not to bother. What we know about is what we're getting in terms of the MGM makeover. Sure, there may be additions years in the future, but they ain't part of this project.

I have to admit, I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop with regards to SWL - is the Escape ride going to be mainly AAs or screenz? We used to hear AAs, but I wonder...

This isn't about the quality of TSL but it's far from "cheap" even with what we're getting. It's ridiculous how much things cost. But I know what you were trying to get at. Nothing WDI comes up with is truly "cheap". Lazy theme wise would be better to say.

We're stuck with screens. They aren't going away. It's all about how they're used and if we also get quality sets and some AAs with them. Heavy AA rides seem to be a pipe dream at this point. For all accounts Battle Escape should be phenomenal. We all have a tendency here to over worry (for good reason) but I think SWL will deliver.

 

[JustInTime]

Not true. FP+ for my trip just opened and the last day we are at DHS, 8/20, has GMR available.

Which doesn't indicate anything either way. Same thing happened with Dinosaur. They just replaced the fast passes with another ride with no warning or notification.

 

[Bocabear]

So TSL will not be cheap, just look cheap? A spinner and family coaster is the best they could come up with...that's pretty sad for a park lacking rides and capacity... The Carsland makeover that DCA got had so much more... and DCA had many more rides and attractions than DHS.

 

[Casper Gutman]

This isn't about the quality of TSL but it's far from "cheap" even with what we're getting. It's ridiculous how much things cost.

This is true, of course, and a huge part of the problem.

Am I wrong in thinking Diagon and TSL will wind up with roughly comparable budgets? (I may very well be wrong).

 

[Kman101]

So TSL will not be cheap, just look cheap? A spinner and family coaster is the best they could come up with...that's pretty sad for a park lacking rides and capacity... The Carsland makeover that DCA got had so much more... and DCA had many more rides and attractions than DHS.

A lot of DCA's rides are flat rides, or things like a parachute drop, swings, a barebones coaster, a crazy mouse coaster ... let's not forget that.

And Cars Land added Mater's, which is what A S S is. It's not a spinner. A spinner is Dumbo.

What people give credit to DCA for, DHS has been lacking and is what they're adding. We're getting two quality family attractions which are needed. Why do I have to keep stressing this? The IP doesn't thrill people so they're knocking the rides because of it.

We all know they need more.

 

[Kman101]

This is true, of course, and a huge part of the problem.

Am I wrong in thinking Diagon and TSL will wind up with roughly comparable budgets? (I may very well be wrong).

Yes it is a big problem IMHO.

And I have no doubt they'll probably be close. Wouldn't shock me.

 

[Bocabear]

A lot of DCA's rides are flat rides, or things like a parachute drop, swings, a barebones coaster, a crazy mouse coaster ... let's not forget that.

And Cars Land added Mater's, which is what A S S is. It's not a spinner. A spinner is Dumbo.

What people give credit to DCA for, DHS has been lacking and is what they're adding. We're getting two quality family attractions which are needed. Why do I have to keep stressing this? The IP doesn't thrill people so they're knocking the rides because of it.

We all know they need more.

Yes absolutely the theme is part of why everyone is like ...Meh. It was a bad idea...Beyond that, it is not only one flat ride short of the DCA got, but will also be lacking the placemaking architecture and theming of Radiator Springs...the unique shops and eateries...the substance... I don't think anyone is looking at this long overdue expansion and saying Wow~...it's more like...Yeah we need the capacity...
Come See Disney's Hollywood Studios! we just added some capacity....

 

[Kman101]

Yes absolutely the theme is part of why everyone is like ...Meh. It was a bad idea...Beyond that, it is not only one flat ride short of the DCA got, but will also be lacking the placemaking architecture and theming of Radiator Springs...the unique shops and eateries...the substance... I don't think anyone is looking at this long overdue expansion and saying Wow~...it's more like...Yeah we need the capacity...
Come See Disney's Hollywood Studios! we just added some capacity....

Oh I agree with you

 

[ToTBellHop]

Which doesn't indicate anything either way. Same thing happened with Dinosaur. They just replaced the fast passes with another ride with no warning or notification.

There was a rumor that GMR FP+ was unavailable in August. I was refuting that. Not sure how your comment is in any way related. They could also decide to close DHS tomorrow on a whim.

 

[Rteetz]

Not true. FP+ for my trip just opened and the last day we are at DHS, 8/20, has GMR available.

Ok thanks. Someone on the Disboards was reporting they could not book GMR for mid August.

 

[MCast]

So it seems there will come a time in the not so distant future when the only available rides in DHS will be ToT, RnR, Star Tours and TSM.

Hard to justify paying the price of a ticket with such few attractions.

 

[Horizons '83]

DHS has been a half day park for us for few years, this might really only be a 1/4 day park until 2019/2020. Oh well, Uni might be stealing a day from us for the next few years.

 

[JustInTime]

There was a rumor that GMR FP+ was unavailable in August. I was refuting that. Not sure how your comment is in any way related. They could also decide to close DHS tomorrow on a whim.

I understand what you were replaying to (thank god for the quote feature). I am saying that neither are any indication that a ride is closing these days anyway. Even if fast passes WERE unavailable. I was using Dinosaur as a recent example.

 

[marni1971]

Am I wrong in thinking Diagon and TSL will wind up with roughly comparable budgets? (I may very well be wrong).

Very much so.

So much it's worth repeating:

Am I wrong in thinking Diagon and TSL will wind up with roughly comparable budgets? (I may very well be wrong).

 

[EPCOTCenterLover]

A lot of DCA's rides are flat rides, or things like a parachute drop, swings, a barebones coaster, a crazy mouse coaster ... let's not forget that.

And Cars Land added Mater's, which is what A S S is. It's not a spinner. A spinner is Dumbo.

What people give credit to DCA for, DHS has been lacking and is what they're adding. We're getting two quality family attractions which are needed. Why do I have to keep stressing this? The IP doesn't thrill people so they're knocking the rides because of it.

We all know they need more.

I'd say DCA also offers a better overall experience than the Studios at this point in time. Grizzly Rapids, Screamin', Soarin', and Radiator Springs Racers more than hold their own against the Studios line up. (I won't get into the GOTG vs TOT debate here, as I am a TOT fan.) I think even the secondary attractions at DCA are equal to or better than what's at the Studios. The overall atmosphere is much more "Disneyeqsue "at DCA, although both parks lack in certain places. At least for me, this is why getting rid of the GMR is such a disappointing move.

 

[AceAstro]

It's unfortunate really. When I was younger, DHS was my favourite park. I loved all the theming to the movies so it just felt like the place for me. But if/ when GMR closes, I propaly won't go to DHS anymore or if I do it'll be for ToT and RnR and then I'll just leave...

 

[MCast]

I am very curious what they will rebrand the park as since there really is no longer a common thread between all the attractions and themes of the park. It's not about Hollywood anymore.

I feel like they might call it Disney's Florida Adventure Park or something in that same vein.

 

[Kman101]

I'd say DCA also offers a better overall experience than the Studios at this point in time. Grizzly Rapids, Screamin', Soarin', and Radiator Springs Racers more than hold their own against the Studios line up. (I won't get into the GOTG vs TOT debate here, as I am a TOT fan.) I think even the secondary attractions at DCA are equal to or better than what's at the Studios. The overall atmosphere is much more "Disneyeqsue "at DCA, although both both lacks in certain places. At least for me, this is why getting rid of the GMR is such a disappointing move.

I agree it is. It's fleshed out, with a theme, mostly. But it's fleshed out with a lot of flat rides. A rapids ride (albeit better than Kali). I'd argue DHS has great theming as well. I like DHS, but it's a small park. The front half is fine. We have nice attractions. But there's not many of them.

I'm not defending getting rid of GMR, lol. I hate it. I feel I've made that clear. But I don't DHS is as awful as it's made out to be. It had the Hollywood theme before DCA expanded on it. TOT, Star Tours, GMR, Mania, RnRC are all great attractions.

One other problem is the park has stale stage shows. And a lesser Fantasmic. No parade. A lack of entertainment that isn't Star Wars (besides Hollywood Citizens).

But take away a lot of flat rides, swings, etc. from DCA and it's similar to DHS. What people are criticizing about being added to DHS is what pads out DCA.

TOT/GOTG
Mermaid/GMR (or Monsters)
Soarin/Star Tours (both simulators)
Rock n' Roller Coaster/Screamin'
tough to be a bug/Muppets
Mania/Mania
Animation/Launch Bay
Disney JR/Disney JR

Symphony Swings, Jellyfish, Triton carousel, bumper cars, Heimlech, Maters, Luigi's, Goofy Sky School ... rides that would get panned if DHS added them but they get credited for a padded out DCA

DCA benefits from a great Cars Land with a great E-ticket. As well as Grizzly, a fantastic rapids ride.

DHS would benefit greatly if they redid Animation Courtyard and put the Mickey ride there and updated GMR.

DCA benefits from also having Mermaid and Monsters two dark rides. DHS would benefit greatly from a few more dark rides.

What's wrong with the front half of DHS? The back half that was dead but once served a purpose is gone. Some studio buildings could use a makeover but the front half is still the same and enjoyable. To each their own though.