News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks

[LittleBuford]

But thousands have died (per the CDC) after getting the shot.

This is disinformation.

VERIFY: CDC & FDA data doesn't support false claims thousands have died from COVID-19 vaccines

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System is managed by the CDC and the FDA, which are credible sources. But, the agencies said these claims are misconstrued data.

www.firstcoastnews.com

Fact Check-VAERS data does not prove thousands died from receiving COVID-19 vaccines

Updated to correct repeated clause and quotation in paragraph 12.

www.reuters.com

 

[dsnygrl86]

What criteria are you using to judge if the vaccine's "work" or not? No vaccine is 100% protective, but by all measures the COVID vaccines have a very high efficacy.

How can you say they have a high efficiency? They haven’t been around long enough to say anything. And I didn’t say they were 100% effective, but I think when we are seeing this many breakthrough cases in such a sort amount of time you cannot say they are super effective yet. Also, you can’t say if it’s helping with the seriousness of illness when you have all these variants coming out that could just be less severe anyhow. No one can honestly say anything concrete because not enough time has passed and too many variants are going around that may or not be less deadly with or without a vaccine. The same people that may not have been that affected by the virus without a vaccine, maybe the same folks with breakthrough cases and mild to no symptoms. The same people not vaccinated may be the same people that would have severe to deadly reactions even if they did get the vaccine.

 

[fractal]

This is disinformation.

VERIFY: CDC & FDA data doesn't support false claims thousands have died from COVID-19 vaccines

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System is managed by the CDC and the FDA, which are credible sources. But, the agencies said these claims are misconstrued data.

www.firstcoastnews.com

Fact Check-VAERS data does not prove thousands died from receiving COVID-19 vaccines

Updated to correct repeated clause and quotation in paragraph 12.

www.reuters.com

Traditionally, the VAERS report has understated adverse effects because it's a voluntary database. The fact remains that it raises enough questions for me to not take an unnecessary risk until more verifiable data is out.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Again, I had my mother vaccinated because for her it made sense. When COVID-19 first hit the US the smartest doctors and scientists were predicted anywhere from 1.5 to 3 million dead in the first year. It turned out to be much less deadly, thank God. I am rooting for this new technology to be a success because there's a good chance another virus, much deadlier will hit us in my lifetime. But in my family's situation, we have natural immunity and have decide to wait for more information. Once you take the shot it can't be undone.

More studies...

People Who Recover From COVID-19 at ‘Very Low Risk’ of Reinfection: Study

www.theepochtimes.com

Study: People Who Have Recovered From COVID-19 Unlikely to Benefit From Vaccine

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[BaconPancakes]

Once you get Covid the unknown future effects can’t be undone.

 

[BaconPancakes]

I fear you're right. I should learn to walk away from such unproductive exchanges (which is never something I've been very good at in these forums).

Agreed there’s nothing that will convince these people. Not even scientific facts. It’s best to not let it affect your blood pressure.

 

[UNCgolf]

I fear you're right. I should learn to walk away from such unproductive exchanges (which is never something I've been very good at in these forums).

It used to be very difficult for me to walk away too. I've gotten much better at it, although I still struggle mightily when it comes to any historical misrepresentations. It's almost impossible for me to let those slip.

 

[fractal]

Once you get Covid the unknown future effects can’t be undone.

Every virus has the potential to cause long-term effects in some people. Since I already had Covid I can't change that.

If I didn't have COVID I would probably have taken the shot. But that's not the case. Why are you so adamant that I take on an unknown risk that would have no effect on you?

 

[WDWTrojan]

Who funds our government…and I mean really funds them….

These vaccines have been studied (and approved) by health departments around the globe, this is not about who funds the "US government."

 

[BaconPancakes]

“The Epoch Times is a far-right international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement.” Lol…

 

[dsnygrl86]

What's your medical degree in?

Same as yours. I think it’s common sense.
When you study things, you always keep at least one variable the same. If we keep changing the variables, we cannot say one way or the other. You can’t compare two completely different things to the original. Sure, if you said the original Covid seems to infect less vaccinated people I could understand that because that was around long enough without a vaccination to actually be able to compare. But when you are seeing a new variant go around that we truly haven’t concluded is any more or less deadly, although more people report mild cold like symptoms, we can’t say that is would be any different on how it’s spreading and behaving with or without a vaccine.

 

[danlb_2000]

How can you say they have a high efficiency? They haven’t been around long enough to say anything. And I didn’t say they were 100% effective, but I think when we are seeing this many breakthrough cases in such a sort amount of time you cannot say they are super effective yet. Also, you can’t say if it’s helping with the seriousness of illness when you have all these variants coming out that could just be less severe anyhow. No one can honestly say anything concrete because not enough time has passed and too many variants are going around that may or not be less deadly with or without a vaccine. The same people that may not have been that affected by the virus without a vaccine, maybe the same folks with breakthrough cases and mild to no symptoms. The same people not vaccinated may be the same people that would have severe to deadly reactions even if they did get the vaccine.

The vaccine trials showed no, or almost no deaths in the vaccinated group as compare to the placebo and a significant reduction in symptomatic and serious illness. COVID deaths are overwhelming being seen in the unvaccinated as opposed to vaccinated. States with lower vaccination levels are seeing higher case counts. Age groups with high vaccination rates, which lean older are seeing lower death rats then the less vaccinated and generally younger groups.

There is a TON of data showing the the vaccines are making a huge positive impact on the pandemic, don't know how anyone could say otherwise. Yes, we don't know how long this protection will last, but we don't know that for natural infection either.

Considering that 100's of millions of doses of the vaccines have been given out and there have been few if any deaths conclusively linked to the vaccine, getting the vaccine is far safer the getting the virus.

 

[dsnygrl86]

Again, this is a global effort. The US government is paying for the vaccination program, as are governments around the world, as a way to attempt to get life back to normal.

If you want the government to start paying for other life saving medical care, I suggest you research political candidates who support that.

It’s not about that. They don’t want to cover actual medical needed medicine, fine, but don’t cover unnecessary ones then either. If they are capable of doing that, then why would anyone trust them?

 

[WDWTrojan]

Same for the vaccine.

3.9B doses of the COVID vaccine have been given across the world. It is the most studied medical product on earth at the moment. Stop being ignorant.

 

[LittleBuford]

When COVID-19 first hit the US the smartest doctors and scientists were predicted anywhere from 1.5 to 3 million dead in the first year. It turned out to be much less deadly, thank God.

This is misleading. You're referring to modelling of worst-case scenarios, without any mitigation. And it's worth noting, not to mention tragic, that the actual US death toll by the end of 2020—378,000—was well above the minimum figure of the CDC's worst-case forecast, which estimated that 200,000 to 1.7 million could die in this period.

 

[LittleBuford]

Agreed there’s nothing that will convince these people. Not even scientific facts. It’s best to not let it affect your blood pressure.

It used to be very difficult for me to walk away too. I've gotten much better at it, although I still struggle mightily when it comes to any historical misrepresentations. It's almost impossible for me to let those slip.

As you can see from my post above, I'm a glutton for punishment.

 

[danlb_2000]

Same for the vaccine.

If the vaccine was going to have a significant long term effect, we would know it by now. Side effects from vaccines do not show up once you are beyond 6 weeks from administration.

 

[ChrisFL]

hmm, who to trust, tens of thousands of the world's top doctors and scientists working on the biggest global medical cooperative in history or a couple of random people on the interwebz? such a tough decision....

 

[fgmnt]

Traditionally, the VAERS report has understated adverse effects because it's a voluntary database. The fact remains that it raises enough questions for me to not take an unnecessary risk until more verifiable data is out.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Again, I had my mother vaccinated because for her it made sense. When COVID-19 first hit the US the smartest doctors and scientists were predicted anywhere from 1.5 to 3 million dead in the first year. It turned out to be much less deadly, thank God. I am rooting for this new technology to be a success because there's a good chance another virus, much deadlier will hit us in my lifetime. But in my family's situation, we have natural immunity and have decide to wait for more information. Once you take the shot it can't be undone.

More studies...

People Who Recover From COVID-19 at ‘Very Low Risk’ of Reinfection: Study

www.theepochtimes.com

Study: People Who Have Recovered From COVID-19 Unlikely to Benefit From Vaccine

www.theepochtimes.com

who funds the Epoch Times? what's the CCP virus?

 

[dsnygrl86]

If the vaccine was going to have a significant long term effect, we would know it by now. Side effects from vaccines do not show up once you are beyond 6 weeks from administration.

Things cause issues way down the road with anything. There is definitely not a 6 weeks and you’re home free time stamp on anything you put into your body.

 

[Joeamc]

Today the CDC’s mask guidance is a “recommendation”. Not a mandate. So isn’t it likely that Disney can in turn just make a “recommendation” that people , vaccinated and/or unvaccinated wear masks indoors ? Which will basically be at the discretion of the individual.