fractal
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IndeedI love when long time posters rip the mask off and expose who they really are.
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But the science you’ve trusted is now saying you should mask inside.
fractal
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I'm also immunized and will be doing the same for the same reason.
BaconPancakes
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Yeah because they think it will make the unvaccinated do the same. I’m tired of inconveniencing myself for anti vaxxers. They made their choice so they can reap their consequences.
If you look at the news going around in England, they were reporting that most of their hospitalizations were among the unvaccinated as well. Once they actually got well into the variant going around, it ended up being about 40 percent hospitalized that were vaccinated. And that’s what I was referring to when I said going around like crazy. They were under mask mandates, closures, and high rates of vaccination.Because the vast majority of people who get the virus after being vaccinated don't end up in the hospital and actually have either very mild or no symptoms at all. Look at the outbreak the Yankees had earlier in the season. Their 3rd base coach was vaccinated and tested positive. He had symptoms and spread the virus to 8 other members of the organization but not a single other person who also tested positive experienced any symptoms because they were all vaccinated, too.
According to an epidemiologist, without the vaccine (the team got the J&J vaccine, by the way) you would have expected 24 people among the 60-person travel party to have contracted the virus. Instead, only 9 got it and only the first one had any symptoms. That works out to a 63% success rate which is just about in line with the stated efficacy of the J&J vaccine.
Sports epidemiologist explains why Yankees’ COVID outbreak wasn’t worse
Nine members of the New York Yankees, including shortstop Gleyber Torres and three coaches, have tested positive for COVID-19.www.nj.com
Also, I'm not sure where you're seeing a "crazy" amount of spread and hospitalization among the vaccinated. The vast majority of positive cases and hospitalizations in the US are among the unvaccinated. Other countries using less-effective vaccines may see higher numbers among the vaccinated than we are here, but you won't find any reliable source claiming that the vaccines are failing at rates that would be considered "crazy" when compared to the stated efficacy of each vaccine.
N.J. reports 792 COVID cases, 7 deaths. Transmission rate spikes to highest since early days of the pandemic.
The number of hospitalized coronavirus patients across New Jersey is now 44% higher than a month ago.
James J
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No - those figures that are coming out need to be taken very cautiously as it's based on small numbers. And the 40% referred to mild cases, as they still say it's more than 90% effective at stopping severe cases.
KrzyKtty
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I'm pretty sure they are saying you should mask because even those fully vaccinated are catching it in higher numbers then they anticipated, and that the transmission rates of those fully vaccinated are higher than anticipated.... But sure, it is all about the unvaccinated??? What the vaccines are helping with is preventing complications and hospitalizations. But if you are fully vaccinated and catch the Delta variant, you can spread it more easily then you thought, especially without precautions.
This is a pandemic. Things change and evolve. The guidance changes and evolves with it.
This is a pandemic. Things change and evolve. The guidance changes and evolves with it.
BaconPancakes
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Yikes so much misinformation being tossed around in here. I’m going to show myself the door. Peace! 
Okay, but everyone here keeps arguing more vaccinations will stop the spread. It clearly didn’t in Israel. I’m saying what I’ve said all along. This is a virus. In order for it to exist, it can’t kill us all off. The variants is its way of fighting to keep living and existing. This is literally natural selection. How do you explain how some people can be in a room full of sick people and not catch it? When all this came out, they kept saying certain blood types were more prone to catching it and being more severely sick. What happened to all that science? Because I truly think this virus does attack certain people more and more severely. If we could answer that, maybe we could actually find a vaccine that works. I have a client that just tested positive with the variant. Her husband was sick at the start of all this to the point where they thought he’d have to go to the hospital. She was around him the entire time and never caught it. She’s now fully vaccinated and caught it at a work party.
LittleBuford
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For the same reason that we have speed limits and seatbelts even though car accidents still happen.
But would you wear your seatbelt if it didn’t help? And honestly that is not a close comparison at all.
Chip Chipperson
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Do what you want, wear a mask or two. Get vaccinated ever month. You'll be protected.
But thousands have died (per the CDC) after getting the shot. I have the luxury of waiting until longer term studies are done on this vaccine. I'm not going to put me and my family at unnecessary risk to help you overcome your irrational fears.
Study: Recovered COVID-19 Patients Possess Robust Immunity to Virus
A study conducted by Emory University suggests that recovered COVID-19 patients possess long-term immunity to the respiratory virus months after infection.thefederalist.com
Please provide a link to any CDC study showing "thousands" of vaccine-related deaths. Facebook memes don't count, just to be clear.
James J
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They will help stop the spread, but the Delta variant is more infectious and the vaccines have never claimed to be 100% effective against it. What the vaccine did is prevent a whole load of hospitalisations and deaths that would have happened had Israel not had such a good rollout of the shot.
LittleBuford
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You haven’t shown that the measures in question don’t help, though. You’re just assuming it.
And you’re assuming they do. Both of us will never know because we haven’t seen the other to compare.
LittleBuford
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Masks, distancing, and, of course, vaccines have all been shown to reduce the spread of COVID. The science is on my side.
fractal
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First, the study was done by Emory University so you can go read it yourself. It's one of at least three major studies.
2nd, do you know how much the pharmaceutical industry spends on media advertising? Do you know how much they spent last year on lobbying?
Chip Chipperson
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danlb_2000
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What criteria are you using to judge if the vaccine's "work" or not? No vaccine is 100% protective, but by all measures the COVID vaccines have a very high efficacy.
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