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[danlb_2000]

Great the few months they actually tested this new vaccine in humans came back safe for short term. But that wasn’t testes long term and that is still unknown which is why it’s not even approved yet and is still in testing. And again, they studied it on healthy individuals who may have also been infected with Covid and been fine because they were healthy. But now, we have new plays coming in so the safety and usefulness of it should be definitely be in question when you see countries with high vaccinations rates having extreme numbers of infection within the vaccinated population. And again, maybe those people aren’t getting that sick because this variant is more contagious but not as deadly.

The vaccines don't have approval yet because they didn't have long term efficacy data. They met the same safety requirements as any other vaccines. Vaccines don't cause side effects to suddenly show up in the future, so long term safety studies are not needed.

 

[danlb_2000]

This is the first vaccine of this kind being administered in humans….so you can’t say it won’t have any long term effects.

People have been getting this sort of vaccine in trials for over 10 year, so not really that new.

We have also had 10's of thousands of people that were given the mRNA vaccines over a year ago with no evidence of long term side effects. Just like any vaccine, there is no plausible way these are going to stay in your system and suddenly pop up and cause issues later on.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Agreed there’s nothing that will convince these people. Not even scientific facts. It’s best to not let it affect your blood pressure.

Except that they are the reason the virus is surging and they are going to be the reason the virus mutates again into a variant that could render the vaccine useless, and then we are all screwed.

 

[disneygeek90]

People have been getting this sort of vaccine in trials for over 10 year, so not really that new.

I really really wish that people understood mRNA vaccines aren’t new.

 

[fractal]

Everyone knows you don't care, but the study ended in December. Believe it or not, the virus has had multiple mutations emerge internationally since December. Can't imagine how that has become a problem.

It's not difficult to ascertain the money behind pharmaceutical companies because they're publicly traded, and this country has regulations on reporting such activity. The Federalist is not.

The vaccine is already a sunk cost to the federal government. Doses are expiring in this country. I know it is difficult among older generations to reconcile how they stood by and watched major yet less material freedoms in this country degrade via the Patriot Act, then re-elected those same people, but that in particular is not my cross to bear. Choosing to take obtuse stances against the levers of power by willfully risking or doing damage to those around you through your individual actions don't do anything positive except make you feel good about yourself. Drawing a hard line on this particular choice truly elucidates why we have so many intractable problems in this country: a white upper middle class coddled by favorable economic conditions their whole lives continue to act like children even in their older age.

Oh well.

The Cleveland Clinic study was in June and despite the Delta variant the reinfection rate is still at somewhere between 0.3 to 0.4%. Gotta love these "follow the science" people that completely ignore natural immunity.

Is the Mayo Clinic enough science for you?

Herd immunity and COVID-19: What you need to know

To protect groups of people over time, it helps to know what level of recovery or vaccination in a population makes it hard for a germ to spread.

www.mayoclinic.org

How is herd immunity achieved?​

There are two main paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 — infection and vaccines.

Natural infection​

Herd immunity can be reached when enough people in the population have recovered from a disease and have developed protective antibodies against future infection.


However, there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19:

• Reinfection. It’s not clear how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. Even if you have antibodies, it’s possible that you could get COVID-19 again.
• Health impact. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the pandemic. This number of infections could lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have existing health conditions. The health care system could quickly become overwhelmed.

Vaccines​

Herd immunity also can be reached when enough people have been vaccinated against a disease and have developed protective antibodies against future infection. Unlike the natural infection method, vaccines create immunity without causing illness or resulting complications. Using the concept of herd immunity, vaccines have successfully controlled contagious diseases such as smallpox, polio, diphtheria, rubella and many others.

Herd immunity makes it possible to protect the population from a disease, including those who can't be vaccinated, such as newborns or those who have compromised immune systems.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has given emergency use authorization to a handful of COVID-19 vaccines.

But reaching herd immunity through vaccination against COVID-19 might be difficult for many reasons. For example:

• Vaccine hesitancy. Some people may object to getting a COVID-19 vaccine because of religious objections, fears about the possible risks or skepticism about the benefits. If the proportion of vaccinated people in a community is below the herd immunity threshold, a contagious disease could continue to spread.
• Protection questions. It’s not clear how long the COVID-19 vaccines will protect you from COVID-19. Further research is needed to see how much the COVID-19 vaccines reduce transmission of the COVID-19 virus. Also, research suggests that COVID-19 vaccines may have lower efficacy against some of the variants of the COVID-19 virus. New variants, which could be more resistant to vaccines, are regularly emerging.
• Uneven vaccine roll-out. The distribution of COVID-19 vaccines has greatly varied among and within countries. If one community achieves a high COVID-19 vaccination rate and surrounding areas don’t, outbreaks can occur if the populations mix.

Or how about a professor and surgeon from Johns Hopkins University?

Johns Hopkins Prof: Half Of Americans Have Natural Immunity; Dismissing It Is ‘Biggest failure Of Medical Leadership’

“Please, ignore the CDC guidance”

summit.news

Johns Hopkins Prof: Half Of Americans Have Natural Immunity; Dismissing It Is ‘Biggest failure Of Medical Leadership’​

Or how about real world like is Israel where so far natural immunity is proving more effective vs. Delta than vaccination?

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?

Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.

www.israelnationalnews.com

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?​

So not sure what skin you have in the game? Pfizer or Moderna shareholder? The only "skin" I have is my family's health.

 

[pdude81]

Great the few months they actually tested this new vaccine in humans came back safe for short term. But that wasn’t testes long term and that is still unknown which is why it’s not even approved yet and is still in testing. And again, they studied it on healthy individuals who may have also been infected with Covid and been fine because they were healthy. But now, we have new plays coming in so the safety and usefulness of it should be definitely be in question when you see countries with high vaccinations rates having extreme numbers of infection within the vaccinated population. And again, maybe those people aren’t getting that sick because this variant is more contagious but not as deadly.

The mRNA vaccines are more or less a protein in salt water. Gross oversimplification but it's the safest vaccine concept and offers ability to target new and emerging threats much faster than traditional vaccines and production methods. They don't test the new flu vaccine every year for 3 years before giving it to people, and that has side effects in some who take it as well. Flu vaccine has the usual ones (flu like symptoms), but also a higher incidence of GBS than mRNA. JNJ and AZ are more in line with those viruses, and also increased likelihood of blood clots, even though they are still tolerated by the vast majority of people and save lives.

 

[dsnygrl86]

I really really wish that people understood mRNA vaccines aren’t new.

Trials is the key word and trials don’t really matter when you’re dealing with a new virus. What works for something may or may not work for something else. Just because milk works for instant pudding doesn’t mean it will work for this jello. Great, the actual outline of mRNA works, but fill it with a new virus that hasn’t been tested that much doesn’t mean it’s going to behave the same way…especially with the variants.

 

[danlb_2000]

Side effects aren’t always just on the person receiving a vaccination. It could be something we don’t even see that causes harm and gets passed down. Do you know there are studies that show immunization after 2 months old can cause an increase in diabetes. And to be honest, I got all my basic immunizations done again at age 23 because I relocated and it was easier to do that for school than try and track them down. Fast forward a few years and I now have PCOS which makes my body not produce insulin. No one else in my family has this. I’m just saying, our healthcare system has never cared about our health. They allow things that have been proven to cause illnesses and no one makes this big of a deal. And it’s not about one is able to spread, it’s about if our Heath matters it matters all the time period. Whenever anyone has a possible connection to a disease or genetic issue that may be linked to vaccines, it gets swept under the rug.

Guess the scientists are also sweeping the "vaccines cause diabetes" theory under the rug also...

Vaccines and Diabetes

The relationship between vaccines and diabetes has been the subject of several excellent studies. The best available evidence does not support the hypothesis that vaccines cause diabetes.

www.chop.edu

 

[BaconPancakes]

Except that they are the reason the virus is surging and they are going to be the reason the virus mutates again into a variant that could render the vaccine useless, and then we are all screwed.

True.

 

[CircusPeanuts]

Someone really needs to kill this thread. There is dangerous anti-vax misinformation in almost every other post.

 

[danlb_2000]

Trials is the key word and trials don’t really matter when you’re dealing with a new virus. What works for something may or may not work for something else. Just because milk works for instant pudding doesn’t mean it will work for this jello. Great, the actual outline of mRNA works, but fill it with a new virus that hasn’t been tested that much doesn’t mean it’s going to behave the same way…especially with the variants.

What do you mean by that statment?

 

[FutureCEO]

 

[fgmnt]

The Cleveland Clinic study was in June and despite the Delta variant the reinfection rate is still at somewhere between 0.3 to 0.4%. Gotta love these "follow the science" people that completely ignore natural immunity.

Is the Mayo Clinic enough science for you?

Herd immunity and COVID-19: What you need to know

To protect groups of people over time, it helps to know what level of recovery or vaccination in a population makes it hard for a germ to spread.

www.mayoclinic.org

How is herd immunity achieved?​

There are two main paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 — infection and vaccines.

Natural infection​

Herd immunity can be reached when enough people in the population have recovered from a disease and have developed protective antibodies against future infection.


However, there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19:

• Reinfection. It’s not clear how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. Even if you have antibodies, it’s possible that you could get COVID-19 again.
• Health impact. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the pandemic. This number of infections could lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have existing health conditions. The health care system could quickly become overwhelmed.

Vaccines​

Herd immunity also can be reached when enough people have been vaccinated against a disease and have developed protective antibodies against future infection. Unlike the natural infection method, vaccines create immunity without causing illness or resulting complications. Using the concept of herd immunity, vaccines have successfully controlled contagious diseases such as smallpox, polio, diphtheria, rubella and many others.

Herd immunity makes it possible to protect the population from a disease, including those who can't be vaccinated, such as newborns or those who have compromised immune systems.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has given emergency use authorization to a handful of COVID-19 vaccines.

But reaching herd immunity through vaccination against COVID-19 might be difficult for many reasons. For example:

• Vaccine hesitancy. Some people may object to getting a COVID-19 vaccine because of religious objections, fears about the possible risks or skepticism about the benefits. If the proportion of vaccinated people in a community is below the herd immunity threshold, a contagious disease could continue to spread.
• Protection questions. It’s not clear how long the COVID-19 vaccines will protect you from COVID-19. Further research is needed to see how much the COVID-19 vaccines reduce transmission of the COVID-19 virus. Also, research suggests that COVID-19 vaccines may have lower efficacy against some of the variants of the COVID-19 virus. New variants, which could be more resistant to vaccines, are regularly emerging.
• Uneven vaccine roll-out. The distribution of COVID-19 vaccines has greatly varied among and within countries. If one community achieves a high COVID-19 vaccination rate and surrounding areas don’t, outbreaks can occur if the populations mix.

Or how about a professor and surgeon from Johns Hopkins University?

Johns Hopkins Prof: Half Of Americans Have Natural Immunity; Dismissing It Is ‘Biggest failure Of Medical Leadership’

“Please, ignore the CDC guidance”

summit.news

Johns Hopkins Prof: Half Of Americans Have Natural Immunity; Dismissing It Is ‘Biggest failure Of Medical Leadership’​

Or how about real world like is Israel where so far natural immunity is proving more effective vs. Delta than vaccination?

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?

Nearly 40% of new COVID patients were vaccinated - compared to just 1% who had been infected previously.

www.israelnationalnews.com

Natural infection vs vaccination: Which gives more protection?​

So not sure what skin you have in the game? Pfizer or Moderna shareholder? The only "skin" I have is my family's health.

who funds summit news and israel national news?

 

[Chomama]

Side effects aren’t always just on the person receiving a vaccination. It could be something we don’t even see that causes harm and gets passed down. Do you know there are studies that show immunization after 2 months old can cause an increase in diabetes. And to be honest, I got all my basic immunizations done again at age 23 because I relocated and it was easier to do that for school than try and track them down. Fast forward a few years and I now have PCOS which makes my body not produce insulin. No one else in my family has this. I’m just saying, our healthcare system has never cared about our health. They allow things that have been proven to cause illnesses and no one makes this big of a deal. And it’s not about one is able to spread, it’s about if our Heath matters it matters all the time period. Whenever anyone has a possible connection to a disease or genetic issue that may be linked to vaccines, it gets swept under the rug.

I want to be kind here because there is no reason to scream at people on the internet, so please know this comes from a place of empathy. I can see you have some fear about vaccines. I understand that you believe they can be harmful. It’s simply not backed up by decades of science. Does that mean NO ONE has ever had a negative side effect? Of course not. It means that for 99.99% of people the vaccines are better in terms of risk/benefit than the disease. Please talk to your healthcare provider. That said, if you have recovered from Covid you are more protected than an unvaccinated person who hasnt had Covid. Would I still get a vaccine in your shoes? Yes. Definitely. Can I respect that you choose not to? Definitely more than I can any other reasons to not get it.

 

[BaconPancakes]

Someone really needs to kill this thread. There is dangerous anti-vax misinformation in almost every other post.

This thread makes Facebook seem sane.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Trials is the key word and trials don’t really matter when you’re dealing with a new virus. What works for something may or may not work for something else. Just because milk works for instant pudding doesn’t mean it will work for this jello. Great, the actual outline of mRNA works, but fill it with a new virus that hasn’t been tested that much doesn’t mean it’s going to behave the same way…especially with the variants.

For a new member, I would think you might enjoy exploring the site, but it looks like you’ve just been in this one thread all day spreading a whole truckload of dangerous misinformation, which seems like a very strange way to start your WDW Magic membership.

 

[dsnygrl86]

Not true, but go off queen!

Can you tell me what other vaccine we currently use that is mRNA. I honestly thought this was the first one being used.

 

[dsnygrl86]

Nobody laughed at your mom. Now we’re grasping for straws…

 

[dsnygrl86]

I want to be kind here because there is no reason to scream at people on the internet, so please know this comes from a place of empathy. I can see you have some fear about vaccines. I understand that you believe they can be harmful. It’s simply not backed up by decades of science. Does that mean NO ONE has ever had a negative side effect? Of course not. It means that for 99.99% of people the vaccines are better in terms of risk/benefit than the disease. Please talk to your healthcare provider. That said, if you have recovered from Covid you are more protected than an unvaccinated person who hasnt had Covid. Would I still get a vaccine in your shoes? Yes. Definitely. Can I respect that you choose not to? Definitely more than I can any other reasons to not get it.

I wasn’t screaming at anyone. I just think it’s crazy how people with a different opinion who have also done research with finding not funded by an outside source and also by medical professionals are trashed as irrelevant and less applicable than theirs.

 

[Zummi Gummi]

I think it’s time for this thread to die. There’s a lot of misinformation in it that could be potentially dangerous. Probably best to just shut it down.