News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks

[Lilofan]

A) he was basically saying they’d be gone in 2022
B) it was at a shareholder meeting where ”2022” would be understood as “fiscal year 22”, which begins 10/1/21.

Wall Street will surely ask Chapek on May 13 during the next TWDC quarterly earnings call.

 

[ParentsOf4]

Are your freedoms violated because you are required to wear a seat belt in a car? Are your freedoms violated because you are not allowed to drive drunk? Are your freedoms being violated when the mods on here go on a good old fashioned delete-a-thon and take away a bunch of posts? Are your freedoms violated because you are not allowed to stand up on Space Mountain? Are your freedoms being violated when you have to wear a seat belt on a plane and you cannot walk around the cabin when departing or landing? Are your freedoms being violated when you can't smoke in a restaurant? I could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on, but the point is that you are in the middle of a worldwide pandemic that has killed over 3 million people worldwide, to date, and your freedom is not being violated in any possible way. You are simply being asked to pay respect to your fellow human beings by protecting them and yourself by common sense safety measures.

You're conflating rights with privileges. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Privileges are granted to us after birth. Rights preexist our birth.

As courts have ruled long ago, operating a motor vehicle (or an airplane or heavy machinery or ...) is a privilege. We were not born with a right to drive a car. As such, the government can place restrictions on this, such as mandating driver's licenses and seat belts.

Conversely, the Founding Fathers believed that rights are not given by the government. Rights predate the existence of government. Rights come from God. Quoting a famous passage from the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.​

Still, as codified by the Supreme Court, all rights have limits. As such, the government can place reasonable limits on our rights. The famous example is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

If we step back from the two entrenched camps, we can ask our ourselves at what point are governments placing reasonable limits our our rights, and at what point have they crossed the line?

One side argues, "the government can't tell me what I can do." Well, yes they can. As I just described, they can tell you what you can and cannot do if it's a privilege. They also can place reasonable (as defined by the Supreme Court) limitations on your rights.

The other side argues, "500,000 Americans have died." Yes they have. Yet in the recent past, we've had over 60,000 annual deaths from influenza. Did the government issue (for example) mask mandates because of these 60,000 deaths? Did they have the legal right to?

If 50 million Americans had died from COVID, there still would be some saying the government is trampling on our rights. Now that COVID has become so political, I'm sure there will be some who insist we should (for example) wear masks forever. Sound inconceivable? A year ago, Dr. Fauci stated that we should never shake hands again. Dr. Fauci suggested ending a centuries old tradition because of one pandemic.

What's clear (at least to me) is that there is a point where the government does step over the line. Are we going to be required to wear masks indoors when the number of COVID deaths drops below the historical average of influenza death (36,000 per year)? Are we going to be allowed to shake hands again? At what point does the government step over the line and violate our pre-existing rights?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

A year ago, Dr. Fauci stated that we should never shake hands again. Dr. Fauci suggested ending a century's old tradition because of one pandemic.

No... Shaking hands is a proven way to spread disease. It's not ”because of one pandemic.”

shaking hands isn't and won't be against the law, but if we can use this pandemic to end a practice that is very unhygienic that would be a huge win.

 

[ParentsOf4]

No... Shaking hands is a proven way to spread disease. It's not ”because of one pandemic.”

shaking hands isn't and won't be against the law, but if we can use this pandemic to end a practice that is very unhygienic that would be a huge win.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[DavidNoble]

Thanks for proving my point.

Was the point that shaking hands should go the way of the dodo bird and we should fist bump instead?

Because fist bumping is cool.

 

[Nubs70]

I don't understand what you are saying - how can it be meaningless? And if less people are being tested, couldn't it possibly mean that less people actually need to be tested at this point? That's what should be happening now.

Even if a smaller amount of people are being tested - if there is still a significant amount positive, the positivity rate will reflect that. And vice-versa.

The smaller the test population the higher Type I error is as a percentage of the test population.

 

[FormerMember]

There will be people booking a Disney trip because they feel Disney is being extra cautious with masks and distancing. Disney knows that.

Far more will book once they stop being “extra cautious” they know that as well.

 

[GaBoy]

Was the point that shaking hands should go the way of the dodo bird and we should fist bump instead?

Because fist bumping is cool.

As long as you don't do that explosion thing.

 

[Nubs70]

Was the point that shaking hands should go the way of the dodo bird and we should fist bump instead?

Because fist bumping is cool.

However, accepting or offering a handshake does have an implication of trust. Trust in that "I will/offer to shake your hand because I know you are not dirty".

 

[BuddyThomas]

You're conflating rights with privileges. You're comparing apples to oranges.

Privileges are granted to us after birth. Rights preexist our birth.

As courts have ruled long ago, operating a motor vehicle (or an airplane or heavy machinery or ...) is a privilege. We were not born with a right to drive a car. As such, the government can place restrictions on this, such as mandating driver's licenses and seat belts.

Conversely, the Founding Fathers believed that rights are not given by the government. Rights predate the existence of government. Rights come from God. Quoting a famous passage from the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.​

Still, as codified by the Supreme Court, all rights have limits. As such, the government can place reasonable limits on our rights. The famous example is yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

If we step back from the two entrenched camps, we can ask our ourselves at what point are governments placing reasonable limits our our rights, and at what point have they crossed the line?

One side argues, "the government can't tell me what I can do." Well, yes they can. As I just described, they can tell you what you can and cannot do if it's a privilege. They also can place reasonable (as defined by the Supreme Court) limitations on your rights.

The other side argues, "500,000 Americans have died." Yes they have. Yet in the recent past, we've had over 60,000 annual deaths from influenza. Did the government issue (for example) mask mandates because of these 60,000 deaths? Did they have the legal right to?

If 50 million American had died from COVID, there still would be some saying the government is trampling on our rights. Now that COVID has become so political, I'm sure there will be some who insist we should (for example) wear masks forever. Sound inconceivable? A year ago, Dr. Fauci stated that we should never shake hands again. Dr. Fauci suggested ending a century's old tradition because of one pandemic.

What's clear (at least to me) is that there is a point where the government does step over the line. Are we going to be required to wear masks indoors when the number of COVID deaths drops below the historical average of influenza death (36,000 per year)? Are we going to be allowed to shake hands again? At what point does the government step over the line and violate our pre-existing rights?

 

[GaBoy]

Was the point that shaking hands should go the way of the dodo bird and we should fist bump instead?

Because fist bumping is cool.

I may be too old though. I have shook more than one fist accidentally. Never been cool though.

 

[DavidNoble]

As long as you don't do that explosion thing.

But… that’s what makes it cool.

However, accepting or offering a handshake does have an implication of trust. Trust in that "I will/offer to shake your hand because I know you are not dirty".

Or I shake your hand despite knowing it is dirty

 

[mickeymiss]

However, accepting or offering a handshake does have an implication of trust. Trust in that "I will/offer to shake your hand because I know you are not dirty".

There's always washing your hands and using hand sanitizer too

 

[Prince-1]

However, accepting or offering a handshake does have an implication of trust. Trust in that "I will/offer to shake your hand because I know you are not dirty".

Hands are inherently dirty from everything we touch.

 

[mickeymiss]

Hands are inherently dirty from everything we touch.

Surfaces are dirty in general but a hand is not much different. I'd rather shake hands than a lot of stuff we have to touch in public. I could have passed out watching a kid at disney last summer with his whole hand in his mouth under his mask for the duration of soarin. I'm sure he touched a lot of surfaces that day and someone had to sit in his seat right after. Just saying He probably wasn't sick is the thing. I don't want to stop a tradition when people are usually not sick and I have the option to wash my hands.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

As long as you don't do that explosion thing.

Can I do the baymax thing?

 

[BuddyThomas]

I'm pretty sure they have come back in style once or twice since then.

So have these.

 

[Chet Dakota]

I thought it was the worst on Falcon and Living With The Land, but I honestly think it bothers me more at shops and restaurants than on the rides.

Was Pilot on the times I rode Falcon, and I didn't ride LwtL on this trip.

 

[bdearl41]

Amazing humans survived all these years shaking hands.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Amazing humans survived all these years shaking hands.

We didn’t all. Some number died of E. coli...