Mike I’m going back and forth with you because I’m really trying to understand this. I think you make great points and I know they come from a good place so I’m not trying to attack you. I’m trying to understand.
I’m fully vaccinated with Moderna.
You keep making the point that spread occurs indoors. Yes I agree , so let’s set this as common ground.
Why do I care?
Im not at risk.
Sorry I don’t accept my .006 percent chance of a negative outcome as something I need to alter my behavior for.
I don’t care if you have Covid and are standing next to me in a phone booth without a mask on.
Let’s not get into the argument of “well it’s no big deal so let’s just do it anyways”.
Lots of things are no big deal that would make us safer that are not compelled by mandate.
You always spell out in your posts very Succinctly that we are not at risk of outdoor spread.
I would argue that your not at risk period if your vaccinated and in good health.
Yes I know you can post a news story about some healthy vaccinated guy thats dead and say “Well tell that to this guy”. That’s sort of the point though isn’t it? That happening is so rare that it makes the news.
I am looking forward to your thoughts as they are always insightful.
Here's my take. I'm not going to try to convince you that you need to wear a mask to avoid a breakthrough infection, given your vaccination status. You're right, your risk is very low. And even if you are infected, it will almost certainly be mild. So I agree with you, that's not a good argument. In fact, before Delta I would probably have agreed with you a lot more than disagreed.
The core reasons for me that mask mandates are still necessary for now have to do with three facts:
* Vaccinated people who catch COVID can still spread it, although at a much lower rate than unvaccinated.
* There's a sizeable segment of the population who still cannot be vaccinated - kids. And yes, kids aren't as impacted by COVID as adults, but because Delta is so transmissible, a large number of kids are ending up hospitalized - so much so that some pediatric hospitals in the south have been overwhelmed and not able to support non-COVID pediatric needs.
* The level of vaccination is sufficiently low that there's the potential for breeding of variants that could potentially break through the vaccines. Now, the obvious solution would be to require vaccinations in public places, but since that's been ruled out legally, mask mandates are all that remain.
Of these I personally see #2 as the most compelling. Given the pediatric hospital situation with Delta in high community spread areas, wearing a mask seems prudent to help avoid that, until such a time as kids can be vaccinated.. 5-11 year olds should be able to in a matter of weeks, and 6 mos to 4 years by the end of 2021.
I'd still prefer a higher vaccination rate to end masking, but I don't know how realistic that is at this point. I could be persuaded to end the mask mandates once the pediatric hospital situation is under control and kids have an opportunity to be vaccinated - so we are talking probably another 3.5 months (assuming all kids are eligible by EOY and allowing a month to get them vaccinated if they want.)