Chip Chipperson
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News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks
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Define "large."
Well let’s look at it this way.
The look of fear on someone’s face will elicit the same response in you.
This will cause you to become more vigilant.
bdearl41
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Ugh. Finally. Pants are the worst right
bdearl41
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This a million times. Cloth masks are about as good as the neck bandana things that were banned. The K95s are the masks that actually provide real protection.
CntrlFlPete
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I do not mind mask, I would say I am more for than against. I know something help keep the flu in check last year and I would not mind a repeat of that. Honestly, when the pandemic started, I was ready to accept that mask might be around for a real long time or that mask would at least be more acceptable socially (as they have been in other cultures once things like bird flu/SARS and such started showing up.
I have to assume that Equity are the ones keeping the actors socially distanced. To me, Disney are gotten sort of lapse on their mask wearing policy and it is tough for guest to even understand what that policy is. For example, if guest were required to wear mask on the monorail platform (wear cast are working) said guest might understand they should be worn on the monorail.
I believe safari at AK has no point where mask are required. I know it was once transportation, but it is not on the ferry these days.
I do feel Disney is ready to drop what they still have in place (certain they want to), I just have no clue what advice they are following today that is keeping what they have in place currently.
I have to assume that Equity are the ones keeping the actors socially distanced. To me, Disney are gotten sort of lapse on their mask wearing policy and it is tough for guest to even understand what that policy is. For example, if guest were required to wear mask on the monorail platform (wear cast are working) said guest might understand they should be worn on the monorail.
I believe safari at AK has no point where mask are required. I know it was once transportation, but it is not on the ferry these days.
I do feel Disney is ready to drop what they still have in place (certain they want to), I just have no clue what advice they are following today that is keeping what they have in place currently.
mikejs78
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There have been numerous studies on mask efficacy. N95s are the best, obviously, but surgical masks and good three layer cloth masks do provide a good amount of protection. Much more so than the neck bandanas.
You are right some are better than others.
Go outside in the Fall/Winter.(depending on where you live) Breathe out and see the moisture from your breathe. That is not air, that is moisture leaving our bodies. Those are droplets. Visual droplets and you can see the pattern of movement for most of them.
Now do this same thing with even a cloth mask on. See how it keeps your breathe moisture within and near your face/up your glasses if you wear them.
Be amazed that it works. Are there ones better than others? Absolutely. Like anything.
Viruses like this work by exposure. If you walk by with one person having Covid19 and they breathe on you, probably not likely that you will get it. If you walk by another person with the same virus, increasing your risk. Then you ride a bus with someone who has it and have five minute conversation with them, it is getting pretty likely as those virus cells are duplicating faster than your body can protect you from them.
With exposure, think of hanging near a campfire. You may not smell like that fire if you walk by once or twice, but the more you hang near the smoke and where the smoke pattern moves, that exposure is eventually going to have your clothes smelling smoked.
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drnilescrane
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My feeling is they'll do it a week or two after both Orange Counties hit yellow on the CDC tracker - OC, CA should do so sometime this week, and I think OC, FL will hit it before thanksgiving - and won't bring it back unless another legitimate surge occurs.
That should also dovetail nicely with the timeline for a vaccine approval for 5-12 year olds, but I don't think that's part of the equation.
It honestly has more to do with perception than anything else. Do I think the mask mandate alone is keeping people home who otherwise would be coming right now? Probably not in any significant number. Does lifting the mask mandate contribute to the general perception that things are back to normal and it's safe to visit? Absolutely. Look at how electric the place was in June/July before Delta.
Clearly we're in a Delta driven malaise at the moment where the parks are decently busy but revenues have not recovered and hotel occupancy is a lot softer than it should be.
I know things are recovering piece by piece but it still just doesn't feel fun, let alone normal.
That should also dovetail nicely with the timeline for a vaccine approval for 5-12 year olds, but I don't think that's part of the equation.
It honestly has more to do with perception than anything else. Do I think the mask mandate alone is keeping people home who otherwise would be coming right now? Probably not in any significant number. Does lifting the mask mandate contribute to the general perception that things are back to normal and it's safe to visit? Absolutely. Look at how electric the place was in June/July before Delta.
Clearly we're in a Delta driven malaise at the moment where the parks are decently busy but revenues have not recovered and hotel occupancy is a lot softer than it should be.
I know things are recovering piece by piece but it still just doesn't feel fun, let alone normal.
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danlb_2000
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That report says absolutely nothing about the impact of masks on child development. The word 'mask' doesn't even appear in the report.
TheGuyThatMakesSwords
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Can we just stop the fights, and deliver real NEWS on
Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
JoeCamel
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I think bickering is some people's default state
Disone
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I don't necessarily disagree that while in a queue line, indoors or out, perhaps you should be wearing a mask. That said it is absolutely the case of the person ten feet away from you indoors is more of a danger than the person next to you Outdoors. Watch how far a smoker can blow smoke indoors versus Outdoors. Also the amount of time it takes to dissipate indoors is significantly longer than Outdoors. It's not just being exposed it's how long you are are exposed to a contagious dosage. It contagious dosage guest does not last Outdoors. It's absolutely the case that your breath travels much further indoors than it does Outdoors and assuming you're covid positive will remain a contagious dose for much longer indoors than it would Outdoors.
DisneyCane
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What kept the flu in check was a bunch of things starting with there being essentially no travel from Asia (or anywhere else for that matter). The yearly flu outbreak begins in Asia and spreads from there. Masks are way down on the list of factors. There were CDC studies over the decades that determined public masking didn't significantly prevent spread of the flu.
By providing resistance, the cloth masks probably keep the droplets closer to you. As far as visible breath, it may just be that the mask is changing the temperature of the droplets before they get outside of the mask so that the visible condensation doesn't happen the same way. If the mask was capturing all that moisture constantly it would be wet after a while.
I can easily fog glasses to clean them with a cloth mask on. I did it to my sunglasses several times at WDW wearing one.
When I wear a cloth mask (or surgical mask) due to requirements it annoys me and is uncomfortable. When I wear an N95 I feel the effects of the restricted breathing. There's clearly a LOT more filtration going on.
bdearl41
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Water moisture droplets and viral sizes are two very different things. There are plenty of studies showing the cloth mask provide some but very little try protection. The surgical are a bit better. If you’re gonna wear a mask. Might as well do the right one.
The point is, is that the virus is carried through those droplets and the rest as you pointed out still stands. That is simply not feasible for everyone to have the best version at all times. You admit that it works, so like the old adage of pollution of anything to change the world. We need as many as possible doing it imperfectly vs most not trying at all. Yes, disposable surgical masks are probably the ideal for all. Many people consider those a "cloth."
bdearl41
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I’m simply saying they are not the end all be all people think they are. Long term I hope the message from the past two years is the importance of exercise, diet and vitamin intake.
That is a great message and is not this only one nor a reason against attempting mitigation. I don't think there is an end all be all to a Novel virus as there are millions of people no matter how much they would try to live healthy lifestyles, their bodies are not going to do well defending against current known variations of this virus.
mikejs78
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All of this is anecdotal, and there are *not* plenty of studies showing the cloth masks provide some but very little protection. In fact, just the opposite.
Covid spreads through droplets, which is why the cloth masks work for it.
mikejs78
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I mean, young and healthy people are dying of this too, and in increasing numbers with Delta... In August and September, COVID was the leading cause of death among 35-54 year olds and the #2 cause of death for 25-34 year olds.
What I hope eventually comes out of this is how important (and safe) vaccines are.
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