News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks

[correcaminos]

That's extraordinarily selfish and misinformed. Absolutely every adult who can get the vaccine should.

My feelings too. I wasn't making this up either. The cancer patient has since been able to vaccinate, but only more recently as treatments changed. Their adult child who is around them refused to vaccinate as did adult grandchildren. It was maddening to me. Kept saying they weren't at risk (not true, but meh) and ignored what they were doing to their parents.

It’s not the COVID that will do those people in.
It’s the uncured …. Cancer.

If you are saying the cancer patient will die because of cancer, you're not necessarily right there. Cancer isn't a death sentence. Covid absolutely would've done them in faster. Ugh, how insensitive

 

[Disneyfanman]

As the person who manages COVID for my company, this news gives me chills but is completely understandable. I won't go back to Disney (Annual or semi-annual trips for the past 25 years) until all of this is in the rear view mirror. I don't want to vacation in a mask and I don't want to pay 150.00 per day for less than full Disney. So it's gonna be awhile. Maybe forever.

BTW Google and Netflix pay way more and provide more benefits than Disney pays its front line Cast Members. So they have a lot more leverage in mandating vaccines. Especially right now when the need for 15.00 dollar employees far exceeds the supply. THATS WHY Disney cannot mandate it. If they could do it then they would. Period. I sit in HR discussions (restaurant company that pays pretty high wages) all day where that is discussed. If we mandated vaccines we would not be able to open locations and instead of having 60% staffing levels we would be closing restaurants. Rock meet Hard Place. Disney is no different. Only the scope and scale of their staff is.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

"More contagious" does not mean "higher risk." Who cares if you GET COVID if COVID doesn't make you sick?

I imagine this girl and her family care that she caught COVID-19. Also, I believe you stated earlier that vaccinated parents are more at risk than unvaccinated kids. Well this girl's vaccinated mother caught the virus from her daughter but only had mild symptoms. The daughter has been in ICU for 10 days and counting.

This Florida mother has been living in her teen daughter's ICU room for days, praying she survives Covid-19 | CNN

Agnes Velasquez remembers the last words her teen daughter said before Covid-19 severely attacked her respiratory system.

www.cnn.com

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The high risk for severe infection people you pass it to without realizing you already have it.

The high risk for severe infection people are, themselves, vaccinated.

 

[Father Robinson]

You're wrong. Delta is more contagious. Anyone at any age can get it. If you don't believe that, than you're misinformed, uninformed or ignorant.
that is vague.

death rates for children under 12 are under .01% we are talking under six sigma 3.4 per million levels here.

Something to do with their small noses.

also, in BC the hospilizations are 95% non vax, with a majority of the 5% that did get the vax being over the age of 80.


People are not dying anywhere near the rate they were last year.

yes people are dying but it’s the unvaxxed.

KIDS CAN STILL PASS IT!!!!! How is that so hard to understand?!!! They can still pass it to unvaxxed!! Even if those kids never even have a sniffle!!!

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I imagine this girl and her family care that she caught COVID-19. Also, I believe you stated earlier that vaccinated parents are more at risk than unvaccinated kids. Well this girl's vaccinated mother caught the virus from her daughter but only had mild symptoms. The daughter has been in ICU for 10 days and counting.

This Florida mother has been living in her teen daughter's ICU room for days, praying she survives Covid-19 | CNN

Agnes Velasquez remembers the last words her teen daughter said before Covid-19 severely attacked her respiratory system.

www.cnn.com

"Extremely low risk" does not mean "absolutely zero exceptions."

Citing this case is like saying we should make the highway speed limit 25 MPH because a young girl was killed in a car accident.

 

[Father Robinson]

The high risk for severe infection people are, themselves, vaccinated.

Wow, you are so well informed and knowledgeable about this!! Guess you've never met an anti-vaxer who are themselves considered high risk but despite that still won't get the vaccine because "it's poison".

 

[danlb_2000]

And it needs to be emphasized over and over that Delta isn’t like the original variant or Alpha. It goes after kids, and it goes after them hard. They’re spectacularly vulnerable. We can’t make the (always feeble( excuse that this is just a disease for older people or those with co-morbidities anymore. Delta looked for openings and vulnerabilities and picked our lock.

And God help us if we don’t stop it and it mutates into something even worse. Lambda has been out there for a year, and for some reason doesn’t have the mechanism to really propagate, so it’s classified as a minor variant of interest. But it looks like it’s got the ability to evade the current iteration of the vaccines. If we got a mutation with the rampant transmissibility of Delta with the vaccine evasion of Lambda, we would be in very deep trouble indeed.

I have heard this anecdotally but I have not seen any data on it. Yes, delta is more infectious so all age groups are likely to see an increase in infections. Yes, the infections numbers are skewing younger because so much of the older population is vaccinated, but I haven't seen hard data yet that shows kids are at a greater risk of severe illness then they were from other strains.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

KIDS CAN STILL PASS IT!!!!! How is that so hard to understand?!!! They can still pass it to unvaxxed!! Even if those kids never even have a sniffle!!!

Think that all the way through.

The kids can pass it... to... whom? Adults! Who are vaccinated! Or have had the chance to be vaccinated and declined.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Wow, you are so well informed and knowledgeable about this!! Guess you've never met an anti-vaxer who are themselves considered high risk but despite that still won't get the vaccine because "it's poison".

Those people have had their chance. I don't support further restrictions on responsible people to protect irresponsible people from themselves.

 

[Father Robinson]

Those people have had their chance. I don't support further restrictions on responsible people to protect irresponsible people from themselves.

Ever heard the expression "one bad apple spoils it for the bunch"? Well how about half the country that refuses to get the vaccine (for their own reasons)?

 

[GimpYancIent]

Yeah, $3 mask packs lose money with free shipping. Some of the remaining masks and sizes are starting to vanish already though today.

New styles in the pipe?

 

[GimpYancIent]

If the Delta variant made it across the US border into a vaccinated US, it would have nowhere to go and die at the door.

Nah, there is a lot of Globe out there and unfortunates to victimize.

 

[pdude81]

New styles in the pipe?

Not sure really. I think this is a good opportunity for them to clear out some inventory on stuff they don't expect to be using very long. There are a couple new styles but mostly just stuff I've seen over prior months or bought last winter.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

It’s not the COVID that will do those people in.
It’s the uncured …. Cancer.

Many cancers have a high treatment rate. I have personal experience with thyroid cancer, which has a 95% survival rate. The treatments that they give you, however, leave you more immunocompromised (in the case of thyroid cancer patients, they tend to give radioactive iodine if it's spread outside the neck). The radiation leaves you immunocompromised, not the cancer itself. So yes, you are more likely to have severe Covid and the vaccine likely won't work as well if you're able to have it.

 

[Father Robinson]

Nah, there is a lot of Globe out there and unfortunates to victimize.

True, but that particular poster was referring to people bringing it to the US being the problem. Not the unvaccinated citizens within the US.

 

[Trauma]

Netflix:
Has 9400 employees, only requiring vaccines for those on sets.

Google: 130,000 employees, most of whom are currently remote, no plans to return to offices until October so employees have time to get a vaccine or get an exemption. A union represents roughly 700 employees.

Disney: 240,000 employees, including 100,000 employees in the theme parks division. Unions represent 43,000 employees.

Not saying that Disney couldn't mandate a vaccine, but they're going to have a much tougher time of getting everyone vaccinated than Google and Netflix.

Well at some point we are going to have start doing things that are “tough”.

The easy stuff ain’t working.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

"Extremely low risk" does not mean "absolutely zero exceptions."

Citing this case is like saying we should make the highway speed limit 25 MPH because a young girl was killed in a car accident.

And when cases triple among kids in less than a month, "rare" as a percentage of cases results in more and more of those "rare" events. This variant has a higher viral load, which suggests that even kids would have a higher viral load if they catch it. Maybe we'll be lucky and that won't turn out to be the case, but why would we err on the side of "I'm sure it'll be fine" when that attitude back in February 2020 didn't pan out so well for us? After the past 18 months, I'd rather be wrong and cautious than wrong and reckless.

Edit to add: Also, you asked who cares if they catch it if they don't get sick. My response was relevant to that question and shows that you have no way of knowing ahead of time that you won't get sick if you catch it no matter how old you are. We've seen this time and time again with people assuming they are "low risk" only to find out that they were among the rare unlucky cases for their demographic.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Many cancers have a high treatment rate. I have personal experience with thyroid cancer, which has a 95% survival rate. The treatments that they give you, however, leave you more immunocompromised (in the case of thyroid cancer patients, they tend to give radioactive iodine if it's spread outside the neck). The radiation leaves you immunocompromised, not the cancer itself. So yes, you are more likely to have severe Covid and the vaccine likely won't work as well if you're able to have it.

But there's nothing uniquely COVID about that. We never mandated masks to protect cancer patients from pneumonia or Flu A.

 

[Lilofan]

New styles in the pipe?

Treat your new style mask just like your underwear. Not too loose, not too tight, just oh so right. And if you buy a cloth mask, wash frequently like you do your underwear especially wearing it in hot and humid temps!