News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks

[JusticeDisney]

I agree with this. When posting here I never even considered that people were discussing risk in such absolute terms, and as a practical matter I don’t believe anyone is doing so. As you pointed out, that would make no sense.

The thread is about mitigation measures, and those measures are adopted, modified or abandoned based on their usefulness in controlling the pandemic. The CDC has taken the appropriate risks into consideration when revising its guidelines, and I think most people understand those guidelines are not based on the total absence of any risk whatsoever.

Well, it wasn’t other people who said “NO” risk, it was you. Anyway, I totally agree that the risk appears to be quite minimal and there should be no problem with vaccinated people foregoing masks.

 

[Jrb1979]

I agree with this. When posting here I never even considered that people were discussing risk in such absolute terms, and as a practical matter I don’t believe anyone is doing so. As you pointed out, that would make no sense.

The thread is about mitigation measures, and those measures are adopted, modified or abandoned based on their usefulness in controlling the pandemic. The CDC has taken the appropriate risks into consideration when revising its guidelines, and I think most people understand those guidelines are not based on the total absence of any risk whatsoever.

The issue I have is with those not vaccinated and how there is no restrictions for them. I get that they are supposed to wear masks but most places have dropped that completely. Most seem to ignore that part of it. IMO it should be a concern cause there is still lots places where Vaccination rates are low.

 

[Bullseye1967]

I agree with every word you just posted. Still doesn’t change the fact that he other poster was wrong when he/she posted that vaccinated people pose “NO” risk to others. It is what it is.

 

[havoc315]

There is pretty much nothing anybody does in the presence of others that poses absolutely NO risk to others. If we want to go into ridiculously low risks, I could trip and fall into another person and cause them to fall and hit their head just right on the ground, end up with a brain hemorrhage and die. The risk is infinitesimal and not worth anybody considering but it exists.

The risk of Covid to vaccinated individuals in larger than infinitesimal.
It is GREATLY reduced compared to vaccinated.

But for example… there was an unvaccinated worker at a nursing home. He infected over a dozen vaccinated residents, and 1 of those vaccinated residents passed from Covid.
There have been well over 100 breakthrough deaths.

Now, if enough people are vaccinated, to the point where there is extremely limited community spread, then the risk becomes infinitesimal.
For illustration only: let’s say the risk of a vaccinated dying from Covid is 1/25,000 Covid exposures. (And the risk to an unvaccinated person is 1/2000 covid exposures).
Now imagine there is still massive community spread: so the vaccinated person still faces a dozen covid exposures per day… 5000 covid exposures per year. With 5000 exposures… and 1/25000 chance of dying each time, your risk of death is not infinitesimal.
Now imagine there is very limited community spread… so instead of a dozen Covid exposures per day, you face only 1 exposure per month. So in the course of a year… only about 12 Covid exposures.. and 1/25,000 chance of dying each of those 12 times… now the risk is infinitesimal.

point being: unvaccinated individuals do increase the risk for all. And if enough people go unvaccinated, it prevents the risk from becoming infinitesimal.

 

[MikeGS]

Their study ended six weeks ago (where the graph is highlighted). In those subsequent six weeks, hospitalizations have decreased week over week. And we're talking double digit numbers out of tens of millions of children.

I urge you to review the flu hospitalization numbers in this cohort (it is roughly 5 times higher than what we are seeing with COVID-19).

So you're right, it's "not the flu." For kids, it's much more mild than the flu.

Don't just take my word for it, the CDC says so as well: "The risk of complications for healthy children is higher for flu compared to COVID-19."

Similarities and Differences between Flu and COVID-19

Learn about similarities and differences between flu and COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

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Nicely done. It's rare nowadays to see people--regardless of political/ideological beliefs--provide real, objective evidence to support their claims.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The issue I have is with those not vaccinated and how there is no restrictions for them. I get that they are supposed to wear masks but most places have dropped that completely. Most seem to ignore that part of it. IMO it should be a concern cause there is still lots places where Vaccination rates are low.

it was always going to be a free for all when they dropped the mandates.

the problem was politics and money...to much pressure to keep precautions any longer.

so now it’s “personal choice” And that means self serving. I doubt the mask less are vaccinated more than 50% out and about now.

 

[JusticeDisney]

Talking to the wrong person! LMAO!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The risk of Covid to vaccinated individuals in larger than infinitesimal.
It is GREATLY reduced compared to vaccinated.

But for example… there was an unvaccinated worker at a nursing home. He infected over a dozen vaccinated residents, and 1 of those vaccinated residents passed from Covid.
There have been well over 100 breakthrough deaths.

Now, if enough people are vaccinated, to the point where there is extremely limited community spread, then the risk becomes infinitesimal.
For illustration only: let’s say the risk of a vaccinated dying from Covid is 1/25,000 Covid exposures. (And the risk to an unvaccinated person is 1/2000 covid exposures).
Now imagine there is still massive community spread: so the vaccinated person still faces a dozen covid exposures per day… 5000 covid exposures per year. With 5000 exposures… and 1/25000 chance of dying each time, your risk of death is not infinitesimal.
Now imagine there is very limited community spread… so instead of a dozen Covid exposures per day, you face only 1 exposure per month. So in the course of a year… only about 12 Covid exposures.. and 1/25,000 chance of dying each of those 12 times… now the risk is infinitesimal.

point being: unvaccinated individuals do increase the risk for all. And if enough people go unvaccinated, it prevents the risk from becoming infinitesimal.

So what you’re saying is...

“shut up...arms out”

funny how that line never moves. And if everyone just did it...wouldn’t have to talk about it.

 

[Ayla]

What discrimination are you referencing? We don’t have system of telling who is vaccinated. It won’t be long before people start assuming those wearing masks are unvaccinated. I haven’t seen or heard of widespread discrimination, but maybe it will come if people don’t learn to mind their own business where masks are concerned.

If I see someone wearing a mask, I assume they are unvaccinated.

 

[GimpYancIent]

If I see someone wearing a mask, I assume they are unvaccinated.

You assume a lot.

 

[Chi84]

You assume a lot.

I would suggest anyone seeing someone else in a mask just assume it’s that person’s own business and no one else’s concern. Just my opinion.

 

[TheGuyThatMakesSwords]

If I see someone wearing a mask, I assume they are unvaccinated.

We still have to do this, on airlines.... My wife & I (vaccinated), will STILL mask on an airplane in the future.

Oddly? We did this BEFORE COVID ever existed. You would be amazed how much our Flu & Cold issues diminished, on our trips TO and FROM WDW .

 

[disneygeek90]

Anecdotally speaking, I just went through Universal MiB and 90% of adults were not wearing masks, and virtually zero in the 5-12 range.

I’m sure they were all vaccinated though!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If I see someone wearing a mask, I assume they are unvaccinated.

I think a large number of those wearing masks actually are vaccinated.

I would suggest anyone seeing someone else in a mask just assume it’s that person’s own business and no one else’s concern. Just my opinion.

If they had proven they knew how to act responsibly during 2020...I’d agree. They came up short

Anecdotally speaking, I just went through Universal MiB and 90% of adults were not wearing masks, and virtually zero in the 5-12 range.

I’m sure they were all vaccinated though!

so statistically at least 30-60% of the adults were lying...and 100% of the kids were

 

[ToTBellHop]

Anecdotally speaking, I just went through Universal MiB and 90% of adults were not wearing masks, and virtually zero in the 5-12 range.

I’m sure they were all vaccinated though!

Every child was in the Pfizer trial and already unblinded, I’m sure.

 

[MaryJaneP]

If I see someone wearing a mask, I assume they are unvaccinated.

Wrong like many other assumptions. There are millions who may be fully vaccinated and still wearing a mask.

 

[jaklgreen]

I understand, unfortunately, splash pads are going to be returning. But also water features on water rides! Apparently, new science suggests the water sprayer on Splash only spreads amoebic dysentery, not Covid!

Don't forget legionnaires disease.

 

[jaklgreen]

Wrong like many other assumptions. There are millions who may be fully vaccinated and still wearing a mask.

My husband is fully vaccinated and still wears a mask when he goes to the store. He is asthmatic and does not want to take any chances. I see nothing wrong with people wanting to wear a mask. We have no idea what their medical/home situation is. If they want to take that precaution, who cares. It is like those who would think that I was crazy because I wash my hands often and never touch food without washing my hands first. I would always get, "a bit of germs won't hurt you". As someone who has never had the flu, strep, or any other major illness, I think I will keep doing what I am doing thank you very much. I find it strange that with all of the horrendous things people do, that some like to focus on something like wearing a mask as strange.

 

[Incomudro]

My husband is fully vaccinated and still wears a mask when he goes to the store. He is asthmatic and does not want to take any chances. I see nothing wrong with people wanting to wear a mask. We have no idea what their medical/home situation is. If they want to take that precaution, who cares. It is like those who would think that I was crazy because I wash my hands often and never touch food without washing my hands first. I would always get, "a bit of germs won't hurt you". As someone who has never had the flu, strep, or any other major illness, I think I will keep doing what I am doing thank you very much. I find it strange that with all of the horrendous things people do, that some like to focus on something like wearing a mask as strange.

You realize we were wearing these masks to reduce the rate at which we might pass covid to another person?
Not to block the intake of the virus on our own bodies.
A collective thing like a missile defense shield.
Some get through, but the damage in sheer magnitude is reduced.
If a person is going to opt to wear a mask when many others aren't, that mask should be an n95.

 

[GimpYancIent]

You realize we were wearing these masks to reduce the rate at which we might pass covid to another person?
Not to block the intake of the virus on our own bodies.
A collective thing like a missile defense shield.
Some get through, but the damage in sheer magnitude is reduced.
If a person is going to opt to wear a mask when many others aren't, that mask should be an n95.

Well, some people were wearing masks to prevent transmission to another person, me, myself and I wore and as may be needed wear a mask as a barrier to ward off someone else passing the virus to us. Besides N95 masks are over rated, they work no better against the COVID19 virus than any other virus. The collective missile defense shield analogy is good though.