Disney Labor Shortage

[MichWolv]

Every word and concept is a made up construct, what's your point?

Just as Thor told us in Infinity War.

- That's a made-up word. - All words are made up.

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[Tony the Tigger]

Every word and concept is a made up construct, what's your point?

My point is “living wage” is the current groupthink which everyone is being brainwashed to believe now.

I get it - it sounds good if you don’t think it through very far.

Not every position offered needs to support a family of five. There are careers, and there are starter jobs, part-time jobs, etc.

If we want to restructure everything, fine. But just doubling the minimum wage on the backs of small businesses when the government should have done it incrementally over the years is an unfair burden that should initially be subsidized. If rent doubled, it would be a huge problem. Same thing.

 

[mkt]

My point is “living wage” is the current groupthink which everyone is being brainwashed to believe now.

And your point is unfortunately wrong, given that I've held the belief of a living wage for decades, and remember that such a wage once existed but was eliminated in the name of increasing profits (even when you were already profitable).

 

[John park hopper]

And your point is unfortunately wrong, given that I've held the belief of a living wage for decades, and remember that such a wage once existed but was eliminated in the name of increasing profits (even when you were already profitable).

So you own a business and pay all your workers a "living wage" regardless of skill level that's very commendable you live your beliefs

 

[Lilofan]

There are grown adults men and women that do dangerous and back breaking work about an hour from WDW so we can drink fresh OJ and peel and eat delicious FL oranges. A number of them resort to this job because that is what they can find in terms of work.

 

[mkt]

So you own a business and pay all your workers a "living wage" regardless of skill level that's very commendable you live your beliefs

The employer of my day job, one of the largest in the US, that has been consistently profitable for years, starts its lowest paid employees at $18/hr; and the employees of the craft beer import/wholesale business I'm part owner of starts at $17/hr (but covers almost the entire cost of health insurance), and has been profitable every year.

I do live my beliefs and actively work for or support those whose practices match my beliefs as well.

 

[eliza61nyc]

And your point is unfortunately wrong, given that I've held the belief of a living wage for decades, and remember that such a wage once existed but was eliminated in the name of increasing profits (even when you were already profitable).

Not entirely true mkt. Not every job was a living wage job even in the 40s, 50s etc.
The problem remains that many many jobs are entry level AND were not intended to afford a good life. If you were a soda jerk or a life guard, one undertood that it was only until you either got experience or an education and moved on.
Everyone has this fallacy that if the "ceo's stop making high salaries the guy at the bottom would all of a sudden get a raise.
My son pumped gas in hs.. a gas station attendant WILL never ever be a job to live a comfortable life. I don't care if the person is 40 and works 80 hours a week AND no they don't deserve to. Dropping fries into hot oil is entry level, low wage, low skilled labor. Whether or not McDonald's makes a huge profit has nothing to do with the job.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

The employer of my day job, one of the largest in the US, that has been consistently profitable for years, starts its lowest paid employees at $18/hr; and the employees of the craft beer import/wholesale business I'm part owner of starts at $17/hr (but covers almost the entire cost of health insurance), and has been profitable every year.

I do live my beliefs and actively work for or support those whose practices match my beliefs as well.

Huge margins in alcohol. Not in everything. You can’t apply that business model to everything, obviously.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Not entirely true mkt. Not every job was a living wage job even in the 40s, 50s etc.
The problem remains that many many jobs are entry level AND were not intended to afford a good life. If you were a soda jerk or a life guard, one undertood that it was only until you either got experience or an education and moved on.
Everyone has this fallacy that if the "ceo's stop making high salaries the guy at the bottom would all of a sudden get a raise.
My son pumped gas in hs.. a gas station attendant WILL never ever be a job to live a comfortable life. I don't care if the person is 40 and works 80 hours a week AND no they don't deserve to. Dropping fries into hot oil is entry level, low wage, low skilled labor. Whether or not McDonald's makes a huge profit has nothing to do with the job.

People have forgotten that a job is not owed to them, and that you must be of value to an employer. Some of that value only comes with experience, so you *expect* to take a low level and low paying job in your teenage years and appreciate what you learn there. I don’t care if you’re bagging groceries, there are lifelong lessons to be had, which will apply to any job you get in the future.

When you have earned it, you either move up in that company or use your experience to get a better job elsewhere.

This is life. I lived it. I’ve worked at least two jobs most of my life because that is what I merited at the time - and if I wanted good TV channels, that’s my problem, not my boss.

Sometimes I worked 3 jobs, including unloading trucks overnight while working full time daytime in retail management. That was what my skills were worth at the time. Period. Nobody owed me anything. I was always intelligent, but didn’t go to college. That’s the path I chose (and in some ways life dictated.)

I empathize with anyone doing the same, but I don’t feel sorry for them.

With the skills I learned, I eventually started my own business. Let me tell you with 100% certainty - if I had to pay $15 an hour that first year, we never would have made it to the second. If you’re not opening a CVS, you don’t have instant business. It takes time to cultivate a clientele. Just now, after 11 years, I can consider paying $15 an hour for certain people who are higher functioning. Those who just get by will necessarily have to be let go when the minimum wage goes up to a certain level. Maybe they’ll get “lucky” and get hired at Walmart or Amazon.

 

[mkt]

Huge margins in alcohol. Not in everything. You can’t apply that business model to everything, obviously.

Not as an importer/wholesaler during the pandemic, especially when importing is a big component of your business and the ports were majorly backed up, and less so when your suppliers are increasing their prices to offset for lost business and a global raw materials shortage.

We've been consistently profitable, but in 2020 just barely. Those first 5 months of FY2020 (and a very strong Calendar Q1 2020) basically helped us deal with the next seven months of losses and break even months.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Not as an importer/wholesaler during the pandemic, especially when importing is a big component of your business and the ports were majorly backed up, and less so when your suppliers are increasing their prices to offset for lost business and a global raw materials shortage.

We've been consistently profitable, but in 2020 just barely. Those first 5 months of FY2020 (and a very strong Calendar Q1 2020) basically helped us deal with the next seven months of losses and break even months.

Just stop. It’s still alcohol. Don’t try to tell me the margins aren’t huge. I was a bartender.

Try applying that to hardgoods and your fab business model is out of business.

 

[mkt]

Just stop. It’s still alcohol. Don’t try to tell me the margins aren’t huge. I was a bartender.

Maybe for you, but not for me.

Our business operates within in the US, but outside of the mainland, in Puerto Rico: the market with the highest alcohol tax in the US (about $5/gallon), the highest logistical costs in the US (thanks jones act), and the highest costs to refrigerate in the US (craft beer requires consistent cold storage at 38F and PR has the highest electrical rates in the US), where the real unemployment rate is 25% (limiting your potential customer base), wages are absurdly low (there are attorneys who don't make $10/hr there, further limiting your potential customer base), we pay higher prices for delivery vans (40%+ more than CONUS), and the government requires physical inspection of all alcohol shipments (extending time in port, and costs to keep the container refrigerated while waiting). On top of this, we pay an additional 11.5% at the port based on the appraised value (not the declared value) and about 5% of our inventory is damaged in shipment and unsellable. And if the government takes too long to appraise, owing the the perishable nature of craft beer, we may have to sacrifice a shipment

And that isn't factoring in TTB costs or federal duties on international products we import.

Standard margin is 300-400%. Our margins are barely 100%, and from that, we have to pay staff, put gas in the vans, etc. If we mark up any higher, the products will be priced too high for consumers on the island.

And even then, we will not lowball our employees. We're conservative with hiring and we run a very lean business (we don't tolerate waste, and we don't put up with employees wasting time while on the clock) - but we pay them well, and are rewarded with low turnover.

 

[Nubs70]

The employer of my day job, one of the largest in the US, that has been consistently profitable for years, starts its lowest paid employees at $18/hr; and the employees of the craft beer import/wholesale business I'm part owner of starts at $17/hr (but covers almost the entire cost of health insurance), and has been profitable every year.

I do live my beliefs and actively work for or support those whose practices match my beliefs as well.

You would be a better person if you paid $20/hr

 

[mkt]

You would be a better person if you paid $20/hr

You're right, I would. I'm terrible.

 

[John park hopper]

Elaborate please on what jobs are being paid $17 and the skill level associated with those jobs

 

[mkt]

Elaborate please on what jobs are being paid $17 and the skill level associated with those jobs

These are starting wages, they do get raises. The two $17/hr jobs are warehouse, which starts at $17/hr and sales, which starts at $17/hr + commission.

 

[Willmark]

I’m thinking the inflation we’ve been pumping into the economy means that whatever hourly rate high or low means that everyone’s buying power is less.

Something has to give and we are seeing it in increased prices across the board. of course there is likely some local variation.

 

[Heppenheimer]

How is the housing market in Orlando anyway? If Disney did roll out across-the-board wage increases, is there enough open housing stock that these better-compensated Disney employees would have more purchasing power, or would it just set off bidding wars in an already tight housing market?

 

[John park hopper]

I’m thinking the inflation we’ve been pumping into the economy means that whatever hourly rate high or low means that everyone’s buying power is less.

Something has to give and we are seeing it in increased prices across the board. of course there is likely some local variation.

Shortages of many items drives up the price--hard to get parts for things

 

[mkt]

I’m thinking the inflation we’ve been pumping into the economy means that whatever hourly rate high or low means that everyone’s buying power is less.

Something has to give and we are seeing it in increased prices across the board. of course there is likely some local variation.

Increased demand vs reduced supply right now are more responsible for increased prices than any inflationary forces.