I have to agree with you on this one Fellow Hoosier.....
I think this is quickly turning into a Thread drift.
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Disney....jumped the shark.
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I have to agree with you on this one Fellow Hoosier.....
I think this is quickly turning into a Thread drift.
JimboJones123
Well-Known Member
As attendance continues to reach new records, I wouldn't say this is really a valid thing to say. Now to say that Star Wars jumped the shark, that would make much more sense. Check out the sour taste that followed the prequels! Why else do you think the 20 years break in updating Star Tours? It only takes a few million to shoot a new film and reprogram the movements on the ride. Much cheaper investment than the $100 Million attractions.
tmaziarz
New Member
Disney has jumped the shark and in heading south
It seems the leaders and decision makers at Disney are not Disney fans or just dont get it.
Mistakes made recently
#1 this pleasure island shut down, the orlando business's jumped for joy because they could compete with Disneys night life.
#2 talk of a 5th gate, this animal trek king night thing is a piece of c#$%
Just fix Disney Hollywood studio's. Make a kick butt Star wars attraction and you wont have to worry about Harry potter land.
#3 get rid of the stunt show at DHS, it is a one time see(if that)
get rid of Indiana jones or update it.
Listen to the loyal fans who attend Disney every year and put in a disney villians section of the park, or a disney villians themed ride!
#4 the alien econter removal was a step backwards, Disney better becareful because the adults who pay for the trips need rides that will bring them back year after year.
Willy Wonka had the right idea when he gave the keys to his kingdom to a child who would do things the way he had originaly planed.
The Disney world of the future is being held back by the Disney decision makers of today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It seems the leaders and decision makers at Disney are not Disney fans or just dont get it.
Mistakes made recently
#1 this pleasure island shut down, the orlando business's jumped for joy because they could compete with Disneys night life.
#2 talk of a 5th gate, this animal trek king night thing is a piece of c#$%
Just fix Disney Hollywood studio's. Make a kick butt Star wars attraction and you wont have to worry about Harry potter land.
#3 get rid of the stunt show at DHS, it is a one time see(if that)
get rid of Indiana jones or update it.
Listen to the loyal fans who attend Disney every year and put in a disney villians section of the park, or a disney villians themed ride!
#4 the alien econter removal was a step backwards, Disney better becareful because the adults who pay for the trips need rides that will bring them back year after year.
Willy Wonka had the right idea when he gave the keys to his kingdom to a child who would do things the way he had originaly planed.
The Disney world of the future is being held back by the Disney decision makers of today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LoriMistress
Well-Known Member
Agreed. But at least Toy Story 2 wasn't bad. But not they're going to be more sequels (Toy Story 3, Cars 2, etc.)
Dragonrider1227
Well-Known Member
They should just give Disney World to the Imagineers. They still have good ideas, the trouble is getting the Company to green light those ideas
Club Cooloholic
Well-Known Member
I think one of the problems with Disney is that they try to inject very recent characters into rides, and then wonder why the ride loses appeal. There are classic characters such as Snow White, Pooh, the Mad Hatter, where there are dozens of books, and cultural references that make them ok to have rides built around. Ten years from now a Pooh ride will have the same relevence to a kid that it has today.
On the flip side, will Buzz Lightyear or Stitch really be as appealing to kids in 10 years, when they weren't even born when the movies came out? Probably not, even if Disney continues to release Direct-to-Video adventures starring these creatures.
It seems that Disney did not use to practice this Build-a-ride around a popular movie in the 70's (I see no aristocats ride or 100 dalmations ride for that matter).
In recent years the best rides are those not built around movie charecters but a concept totally fresh and new. The Tower of Terror(yes it has some basis on an episode, but really not many can think of that when they get on), Expedition Everest, and Soarin.
I hope they continue to do this, after all the tradition was started with the Jungle Cruise right?
I can't help but think if the Jungle Cruise was created today, Tarzan would be the boat captain and we would see Baloo and the Lion King hosting a party in the middle of the ride.
On the flip side, will Buzz Lightyear or Stitch really be as appealing to kids in 10 years, when they weren't even born when the movies came out? Probably not, even if Disney continues to release Direct-to-Video adventures starring these creatures.
It seems that Disney did not use to practice this Build-a-ride around a popular movie in the 70's (I see no aristocats ride or 100 dalmations ride for that matter).
In recent years the best rides are those not built around movie charecters but a concept totally fresh and new. The Tower of Terror(yes it has some basis on an episode, but really not many can think of that when they get on), Expedition Everest, and Soarin.
I hope they continue to do this, after all the tradition was started with the Jungle Cruise right?
I can't help but think if the Jungle Cruise was created today, Tarzan would be the boat captain and we would see Baloo and the Lion King hosting a party in the middle of the ride.
devoy1701
Well-Known Member
If WDW was "handed to the imagineers", the entire Disney Co would go bankrupt within 5 yrs. Yes the Imagineers have GREAT ideas but some are just no practical. Even during Walts time, many ideas were shelved because there was no practical way (technological and financial) of getting it done. There needs to be someone to tell them no! I agree that management needs to stop being so tight with the imagineers. When they greenlight an idea, they need to do so whole-heartedly...Walt himself used to create projects (movies and themepark projects) that ended up way over his financial estimates...but once he had an idea, the company continued with it without cutting corners. That's a problem with the company today...they agree to an idea, but they severely cut back the budget of an idea between the bluesky phase to the greenlight phase, and even more between Greenlight and construction. It's not necessarily the amount of ideas that get greenlighted but the quality of them.
but the company would indeed be doomed if wdw was handed to the imagineers.
The OP is correct. Also, it is used to refer to a television series that is so creatively deficient that it creates absurd plots or events from which it cannot recover and is the lead-in to its downfall.
You are only minimally correct on the unrealistic aspect...though the event does not have to be unrealistic (I'm sure there are people who can jump sharks on water skis)...but more so the chances of such an act happening is unrealistic.
redsoxnation
New Member
It does stem from that episode of Happy Days. I know the creator of that original concept/website, that he evetually sold for millions.
The Empress Lilly
Well-Known Member
When an advertising agency is absolutely clueless about re-invigorating a brand or a product, they resort to celebrity endorsement. So these are my WDW Jumping the Shark decisions:
- Jeopardy, Ellen Degeneres and what's-his-name in Universe of Energy. :snore:
- Martin Short in Canada. :zipit:
(And soon, no doubt, Ronald McDonald as narrator of the American Adventure...:lookaroun)
For similar reasons, I could add Nemo and Donald in the Seas and Mexico, but then again, these are Disney characters.
- Jeopardy, Ellen Degeneres and what's-his-name in Universe of Energy. :snore:
- Martin Short in Canada. :zipit:
(And soon, no doubt, Ronald McDonald as narrator of the American Adventure...:lookaroun)
For similar reasons, I could add Nemo and Donald in the Seas and Mexico, but then again, these are Disney characters.
The Empress Lilly
Well-Known Member
Put this man in charge of WDW! :sohappy:
JCtheparrothead
Well-Known Member
I agree that Lucas has jumped the shark so much that no one is watching anymore. Stop killing the magic George you're driving Star Wars fans crazy! Maybe between Disney and Lucas they could save his career.
devoy1701
Well-Known Member
speaking of which...did you happen to read that article from about 2 weeks ago on MSN telling George to stop making movies?
seriously..the guy hasn't had a fresh idea since the 70s...and his whole career since has been basically nothing BUT Star Wars with the occasional Indy film to break it up...give it up George!
donniedisney
Member
Park wise- DAK...It's a glorified zoo twice as big as your most popular park with 1/4 of it's guest
sarabi
New Member
I soundly agree.
I think turning Alien Encounter into Stitch's Great Escape was really stupid, as well as Stitch taking over the railroad soundtrack.
gjohnson66
Member
"but the company would indeed be doomed if wdw was handed to the imagineers."
I'm afraid I have to whole-heartedly DISagree -- the Imagineers are some of the few Disney employees who still get it! And you are not giving them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to financial matters. I'd imagine that those people would have to be fairly smart to get to the position they are in (while still being in touch with their inner child of course!) and therefore they would know what would be feasible (both technically and fiscally). I do have to admit that there probably are a few who really don't care how much their "idea" costs, but surely their fellow Imagineers would help keep the whole process on track...
Put simply, ANYTHING is better than allowing the bean counters to run things -- they have cut too many corners and made too many compromises already!
I'm afraid I have to whole-heartedly DISagree -- the Imagineers are some of the few Disney employees who still get it! And you are not giving them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to financial matters. I'd imagine that those people would have to be fairly smart to get to the position they are in (while still being in touch with their inner child of course!) and therefore they would know what would be feasible (both technically and fiscally). I do have to admit that there probably are a few who really don't care how much their "idea" costs, but surely their fellow Imagineers would help keep the whole process on track...
Put simply, ANYTHING is better than allowing the bean counters to run things -- they have cut too many corners and made too many compromises already!
T-1MILLION
New Member
'Jumping' on the Fox property American Idol after it has become obvious Paula Abdul is not what she used to be and is in all kinds of crazy tabloids as well as the show itself now adding a fourth judge. Meanwhile the show is claiming that a fourth judge was planned all along and therefore jumping the shark itself.
yankspy
Well-Known Member
No beans, no magic. I think that there are different kinds of intelligence. Some are great with money, some are great with creative ideas. I think that there is a balance to be struck somewhere. After all is said and done, Disney is a business. However, creativity has always been the cornerstone of that business. Disney has lucked out through its history with being able to achieve that balance for some time. (Walt/Roy, Eisner/Wells). I wonder if the next team could eventually be Iger/Lasseter?