Disney is big legal & public trouble...

[hls1023]

There are plenty of people kicked out of a casino and go back and play, and nothing is done to them

If you are kicked out of almost any casino in Las Vegas there is a central database that almost, if not all of the casinos have access to that includes who you are and what you look like. Those casinos have lots of money and believe me they have some of the best security equipment money can buy. They cannot afford to let someone back in to their establishement that could potentially be a hazard to the business itself (by cheating) or someone who is staying and/or playing there.

 

[BadTigger]

I'm happy they are taking this strict stand, I don't want to see DTD turn into Citywalk, I hate going to Citywalk at night the types of people for the most part are horrible and UNSAVORY. AS stated, if they ask you to move along and you do there isn't going to be an issue, these kids were probably asked to move along and refused and started problems, so they get what they deserve.

Lets not forget to long ago the Tigger incident, and what happened the idiot kid deserved to get hit in the face.

 

[hls1023]

I'm happy they are taking this strict stand, I don't want to see DTD turn into Citywalk, I hate going to Citywalk at night the types of people for the most part are horrible and UNSAVORY. AS stated, if they ask you to move along and you do there isn't going to be an issue, these kids were probably asked to move along and refused and started problems, so they get what they deserve.

Lets not forget to long ago the Tigger incident, and what happened the idiot kid deserved to get hit in the face.

I've been to CityWalk many times (I enjoy it more than PI) and I've never had an issue with "unsavory" characters there. I've never had a problem at DTD either though.

 

[TomDisney]

There's another article in TBO.COM
http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBPJG6LG3F.html?imw=Y

I get a kick out of this statement in that article tho:

Moody's father, Philadelphia civil rights attorney Adrian J. Moody, intends to gather more information about the incident to determine whether legal action is warranted. He characterized the incident as he understands it as a classic case of racial profiling.

"I'm just trying to understand how you can have such a ban at a public facility," Moody said Wednesday evening.


Someone better tell him that this isn't a public facility.....

 

[slappy magoo]

Actually, it IS profiling. At that point, they were profiling people under the age of 21 trying to get into an age-restricted area. Doesn't mean it was a race thing. It's an age thing. Justified.

 

[mdisney]

Someone better tell him that this isn't a public facility.....

Just remember since someone goes to law school does not mean they are smart. He thinks it public since you do not have to pay to go there.

 

[AEfx]

LOL, I think we can finally solve the subject of the thread :

"Disney is (in) big legal & public trouble...NOT."

Something tells me this was originally posted by someone trying to garner publicity for this "event", and since I saw Al Sharpton live on TV this afternoon and he didn't mention a word about those poor kids who got banned from Disney, I'm assuming it's blown over.

Or at least it will, once someone fills that kid's lawyer dad in on the day he must have missed in law school where they taught public vs. private.

AEfx

 

[mdisney]

Actually, it IS profiling. At that point, they were profiling people under the age of 21 trying to get into an age-restricted area. Doesn't mean it was a race thing. It's an age thing. Justified.

Age discrimination only affects people over 40

 

[OneLuckyMom]

Just because DTD is "private property" does not mean it gets to do whatever it wants.

For example, in 2004, Florida’s 1st District Court of Appeals upheld a 2003 decision by Circuit Court Judge Dedee Costello, who overturned a trespassing conviction against Kevin Wood in State of Florida v. Wood. Wood was arrested for trespassing while collecting signatures at a local mall to get his name added to the ballot for the county court clerk position. According to the Osceola News Gazette, Costello wrote that Florida’s Constitution “prohibits a private owner of a ‘quasi-public’ place from using state trespass laws to exclude peaceful political activity." (Ok - I stole that from another website: http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/assembly/topic.aspx?topic=private_property)

There are lots of other cases where courts have found that the right to freedom of speech (1st amendment, or under a specific state's constitution) is not completely negated simply because a person is on private property, especially shopping malls.

Now, granted, the DTD situation is not about freedom of speech, but it could be argued it is about the freedom of assembly, also covered by the 1st amendment. It could be that a good attorney could make some sort of argument that means this right should apply at a shopping mall. Maybe. Maybe not. But don't dismiss the possiblility just because it is private property.

 

[mdisney]

Freedom of assembly is on public property, and if they want to assembly on private property they must get permisson form the property.

 

[OneLuckyMom]

Freedom of assembly is on public property, and if they want to assembly on private property they must get permisson form the property.

And Freedom of Speech is generally on public property as well. But the courts have found situations where they feel there are exceptions - especially in shopping malls.

 

[mkt]

And Freedom of Speech is generally on public property as well. But the courts have found situations where they feel there are exceptions - especially in shopping malls.

And one can argue that Dowtown Disney, specifically the westside and marketplace, would qualify as such.

 

[AEfx]

Okay, let's put it this way then...

Activist judges have been known to make exceptions to every rule/law/etc., but by and large the law is on Disney's side as they are the owners of the private property in question.

Does that work? LOL

AEfx

 

[danv3]

There's no first amendment issue here, whether DTD is quasi-public or not. These kids weren't making a political statement or engaging in any other protected expression. They were just hanging out.

 

[napnet]

Update....

The four Florida State University football prospects who were kicked out of Downtown Disney for loitering last week and banned for life from Walt Disney World can now come back.

Disney World announced Thursday that it has decided to reduce the sanctions against the four high-schoolers, whose banishment last weekend amplified a controversy about Disney's recent efforts to reduce teen loitering and sparked accusations of racial profiling. All four of the students are 17 years old and black.

Disney officials, after talking with the mother of one of the teens, decided to revise the trespass warnings so that the four are banned only from Downtown Disney -- not from the theme parks, water parks or other parts of Disney World. And the Downtown Disney ban will last only for one year, not a lifetime.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-disney2907jun29,0,5458100.story?track=rss

 

[palmage]

I highly doubt a loitering charge is going to make them ineligible to play for the crimi-noles...I mean Seminoles. :lol:

Spoken like a true Gaytor

 

[AEfx]

Looks like I was correct (or at least the sheriff thinks I was). As posted in another thread :

"The Orange County Sheriff's Office from the very beginning of this case took appropriate action at the request of Walt Disney World and issued proper trespass warnings," sheriff's Capt. Mark Strobridge said. "It is and remains Walt Disney World's decision to set the guidelines and enforce trespass warnings as they see fit."

"As they see fit" seems to say to me that Disney can do as it wishes on it's private property in terms of asking people to leave.

AEfx

 

[hls1023]

Spoken like a true Gaytor

GO GATORS!!!!!!!!! :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:

 

[coastermaster83]

No Go Noles.

 

[beachclubbasics]

There's no first amendment issue here, whether DTD is quasi-public or not. These kids weren't making a political statement or engaging in any other protected expression. They were just hanging out.

True and in most pleaces loitering is against the law.