News 'Disney Enchantment' coming to Magic Kingdom October 1 2021

[Disney Glimpses]

That's silly. They would lose way too much on food/merch sales. They want people in the park at night. Otherwise they wouldn't do fireworks at all.

Yeah, I mean I can tell you for certain that all of the legitimate reasons to return HEA are there and leadership is fully aware. There's a handful of smaller issues in the way. No one's thrilled that people are constantly asking if/when the old show is returning. DE crowds are notably lower, not sure about sales at the MK though. I'd imagine they have taken a hit at least based on the crowd levels that I've witnessed during DE. Don't get me wrong it's not empty but it's not what HEA was pulling.

 

[jrhwdw]

In house made a good name for themselves - I want to say with Epcots 30th tag and the first SWAGS - and were thus given bigger projects

We’ve been watching a lot of Momentous recently. We feel the projections work better since they’re much more uncluttered. One, maybe two areas of interest that draws the eye with the majority of the rest being relatively static decoration. None of the overkill of HEA.

They didn’t learn with RoEs timing chips.

Epcot's 30th I totally agree with.

Didn't most people not like the first SWAGS since thre was big pyro moves from SWW???


Do we know who's in charge of Epcot's 40th????? If there is one??????

 

[jrhwdw]

Would MK really change HEA if people preferred the May 2017 HEA???????

Also, How many low scores might be related to the fact MK hasn't had a Night Parade since Oct 2016?????? MK could fix that problem........

 

[MisterPenguin]

To appease regulars that HEA isn't in the parks?...

 

[Disney Glimpses]

What's really frustrating is that, in my opinion, Disney has proved its ability to surpass HEA. They created HEA's score, storyboard and IP selection. That is what makes HEA so good. As far as the projections go, yes overall HEA's are better. However, much of the scenes in DE where Disney clearly spent a lot of time on are really, really, crisp and beautiful.

They can do a show better than HEA in house, they just need to let their team do their thing rather than dictate every single scene with a goal to prop up some KPI for Disney+ or some other platform.

 

[HauntedPirate]

What's really frustrating is that, in my opinion, Disney has proved its ability to surpass HEA. They created HEA's score, storyboard and IP selection. That is what makes HEA so good. As far as the projections go, yes overall HEA's are better. However, much of the scenes in DE where Disney clearly spent a lot of time on are really, really, crisp and beautiful.

They can do a show better than HEA in house, they just need to let their team do their thing rather than dictate every single scene with a goal to prop up some KPI for Disney+ or some other platform.

Although I don't care for the ADD-nightmare of projection visuals for HEA, the score was good. Haven't seen DE, and I'm not sure if I'll make time during my only planned trip for the foreseeable future.

I hate KPI in a corporate setting, seeing it used in a theme park...

 

[PuertoRekinSam]

I hate KPI in a corporate setting, seeing it used in a theme park...

a theme park IS a corporate setting… just with window dressing.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

a theme park IS a corporate setting… just with window dressing.

Wasn't always like that at Disney. At least not to the current levels.

 

[Vinnie Mac]

What's really frustrating is that, in my opinion, Disney has proved its ability to surpass HEA. They created HEA's score, storyboard and IP selection. That is what makes HEA so good. As far as the projections go, yes overall HEA's are better. However, much of the scenes in DE where Disney clearly spent a lot of time on are really, really, crisp and beautiful.

They can do a show better than HEA in house, they just need to let their team do their thing rather than dictate every single scene with a goal to prop up some KPI for Disney+ or some other platform.

Disney has the ability to create shows the level of Illuminations and HEA and even above. The visuals of these shows have only gotten better (I'd argue that Enchantment is visually better than HEA). You combine the improved tech and visuals with the soundtrack quality and storytelling of shows like HEA and Illuminations and the sky's the limit.

 

[GhostHost1000]

like HEA and Illuminations and the sky's the limit.

I see what you did there

 

[Disney Glimpses]

I wonder if the team has started on new projection designs for the ~2 minute intro if Disney Enchantment as the current one is completely based around pixie dust illuminating the temporary 50th decorations.

Hopefully someone within will use this to their advantage to push HEA (unless they already have this done).

 

[jrhwdw]

I wonder if the team has started on new projection designs for the ~2 minute intro if Disney Enchantment as the current one is completely based around pixie dust illuminating the temporary 50th decorations.

Hopefully someone within will use this to their advantage to push HEA (unless they already have this done).

Even if everyone liked Enchantment(Sorry, I do.) It’s only late July 2022. The 50th isn't ending until sometime Spring 2023. Too early to renew/make Enchantment the Regular Show.

Unless it's near time to renew or go a different direction???


I'm conflicted on all of this!!!!!!

 

[Disney Glimpses]

Even if everyone liked Enchantment(Sorry, I do.) It’s only late July 2022. The 50th isn't ending until sometime Spring 2023. Too early to renew/make Enchantment the Regular Show.

Unless it's near time to renew or go a different direction???


I'm conflicted on all of this!!!!!!

You don't have to apologize, I'm jealous of you. I wish I wasn't so upset about the main show at WDW. That being said, the decision to return HEA is almost certainly imminent as it's unlikely to return without modifications or Main Street projections - which takes time. They may also have to start work on the intro for DE, if they haven't already.

I also think they'd want to announce it at D23: free fluff.

 

[wtyy21]

If HEA decides to return at D23 Expo in September, i suspect that they would modify all pyro equipment to become more similar to Enchantment now, (three high-firework launch site at the fallout, either left, center, and right side) as they acknowledge that DE have more fireworks amount and better pyro choreography than post-pandemic HEA. I believe, they have additional launch site for HEA from 2018 to 2019.

 

[jrhwdw]

You don't have to apologize, I'm jealous of you. I wish I wasn't so upset about the main show at WDW. That being said, the decision to return HEA is almost certainly imminent as it's unlikely to return without modifications or Main Street projections - which takes time. They may also have to start work on the intro for DE, if they haven't already.

I also think they'd want to announce it at D23: free fluff.

Thanks for that! I'm not afraid to admit that Enchantment is no HEA but I do like it and I wish it got more respect.

I do think F! Should at least get a Public Date before TDO feels it needs to fix MK Pyro! No F! is the bigger void IMO!

 

[Disney Glimpses]

I'm not afraid to admit that Enchantment is no HEA but I do like it and I wish it got more respect.

This is really an unfortunate situation because I think 2 things are really hurting DE: 1. that it came after HEA and 2. that it was rushed.

The fact that it came after HEA (after over a year of not having HEA and fans missing it so much), really had people going into it with a negative mindset. I don't think there is any turning that around though.

 

[gerarar]

If HEA returns, they seriously need to restore the original castle/FL pyro. What they did post-closure was a travesty.

Cutting the comets in the finale from 5 to 3? Then removing the bright white ones before the last "Happily Ever Afterrrr".

Also, utilize the infrastructure DE brought to the table. Two new launch sites, additional spotlights on the light towers spread throughout the Hub, etc.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

If HEA returns, they seriously need to restore the original castle/FL pyro. What they did post-closure was a travesty.

Cutting the comets in the finale from 5 to 3? Then removing the bright white ones before the last "Happily Ever Afterrrr".

AFAIK they were not financial cuts. If you remember, there was an insane shortage of fireworks/pyro in 2021. Also, many of the launchers were modified in preparation for DE and were no longer compatible with HEA; so those sequences were cut.

 

[jrhwdw]

AFAIK they were not financial cuts. If you remember, there was an insane shortage of fireworks/pyro in 2021. Also, many of the launchers were modified in preparation for DE and were no longer compatible with HEA; so those sequences were cut.

Would the launchers would need to be modified again for a full 2017 HEA??

 

[Disney Glimpses]

Would the launchers would need to be modified again for a full 2017 HEA??

Unless they reschedule HEA's pyro. I'm certain though that if it returned, it would be absolutely better than the 2021 HEA. They take effects/timing of pyro very seriously. In fact, they attempted to cut a castle sequence early on (2 red comets during "there in your eyes" in the intro) and decided that without them, the desired effect wasn't there. When they cut they are more likely to reduce shell size/count rather than remove sequences altogether.