mattpeto
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I felt like @marni1971 gave a slight nod that HEA may return just recently.
I am the Magic right now so I could be mistaken.
I am the Magic right now so I could be mistaken.
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News 'Disney Enchantment' coming to Magic Kingdom October 1 2021
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Dude, you're *so* magic. I just can't.
yensidtlaw1969
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Happily Ever After's final narration:
"And so, our journey comes to an end. But yours continues on. Grab ahold of your dreams and make them come true. For you are the key to unlocking your own magic. Now go. Let your dreams guide you. Reach out and find your Happily Ever After."
Disney Enchantment's final narration:
"And so, when you have found what you seek, the magic of dreams come true in fact, lies within you. This magical kingdom remains a beacon to those with a wishing heart, giving every person who walks through these gates, this enchantment. Look inside yourself and realize that you have everything you need to make all your dreams come true. Anything is possible, for you are the magic."
Like I said before, I get that one show gives people the willies in a way that the other doesn't, but it is some rose-colored behavior to pretend the messages of these shows are really any different. They both make similar, half-hearted cliche attempts at rousing peoples' self-actualizitation after projecting 10 minutes of clips of Disney Heroes
overcoming their obstacles on the Castle. I'll say it again - the shows are far more similar than they are different.You have every right to prefer one over the other - I do too, in fact - but people act like they're night and day when really these 2 shows are a little more like the difference between 2 and 4pm.
gerarar
Premium Member
When one show excels versus the other at...
The difference is far greater than 2 and 4pm despite them having the same starting template lol..
The one thing that DE does better imo is its entire lighting package (hub + FL spotlights).
Its additional exclusive features like MSUSA projections and 2 extra firework launchers are not utilized well at all and could be cut without barely affecting the show.
- Music (combines covers and original music) and composition
- Transitions
- Projections
- Castle/FL pyro
- High pyro (timing, colors)
- Story and emotion
- Narration (tone and impact)
- Tink climax
- Finale
- Hidden Mickey
The difference is far greater than 2 and 4pm despite them having the same starting template lol..
The one thing that DE does better imo is its entire lighting package (hub + FL spotlights).
Its additional exclusive features like MSUSA projections and 2 extra firework launchers are not utilized well at all and could be cut without barely affecting the show.
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Vinnie Mac
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Enchantment has a similar message but HEA spreads that message MUCH more effectively. It's not a rose colored view, it's simply the truth. I don't hate Enchantment, I do enjoy the show. But there's a reason people put Enchantment below HEA. There's a reason why HEA makes people emotional and inspires its audience and a reason why Enchantment doesn't (or at least not to the extent HEA does).. . .
Happily Ever After's final narration:
"And so, our journey comes to an end. But yours continues on. Grab ahold of your dreams and make them come true. For you are the key to unlocking your own magic. Now go. Let your dreams guide you. Reach out and find your Happily Ever After."
Disney Enchantment's final narration:
"And so, when you have found what you seek, the magic of dreams come true in fact, lies within you. This magical kingdom remains a beacon to those with a wishing heart, giving every person who walks through these gates, this enchantment. Look inside yourself and realize that you have everything you need to make all your dreams come true. Anything is possible, for you are the magic."
Like I said before, I get that one show gives people the willies in a way that the other doesn't, but it is some rose-colored behavior to pretend the messages of these shows are really any different. They both make similar, half-hearted cliche attempts at rousing peoples' self-actualizitation after projecting 10 minutes of clips of Disney Heroes
You have every right to prefer one over the other - I do too, in fact - but people act like they're night and day when really these 2 shows are a little more like the difference between 2 and 4pm.
I will give DE bonus points for being visually stunning however. Definitely the most colorful show to see at MK in person. It just never had that emotionally striking moment for me. HEA, there are certain lines that just invoke this certain emotional feeling. Lines that make you go "woah" because you don't expect a firework show to resonate with you deep down.
UNCgolf
Well-Known Member
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Happily Ever After's final narration:
"And so, our journey comes to an end. But yours continues on. Grab ahold of your dreams and make them come true. For you are the key to unlocking your own magic. Now go. Let your dreams guide you. Reach out and find your Happily Ever After."
Disney Enchantment's final narration:
"And so, when you have found what you seek, the magic of dreams come true in fact, lies within you. This magical kingdom remains a beacon to those with a wishing heart, giving every person who walks through these gates, this enchantment. Look inside yourself and realize that you have everything you need to make all your dreams come true. Anything is possible, for you are the magic."
Like I said before, I get that one show gives people the willies in a way that the other doesn't, but it is some rose-colored behavior to pretend the messages of these shows are really any different. They both make similar, half-hearted cliche attempts at rousing peoples' self-actualizitation after projecting 10 minutes of clips of Disney Heroes
You have every right to prefer one over the other - I do too, in fact - but people act like they're night and day when really these 2 shows are a little more like the difference between 2 and 4pm.
Although I haven't seen Enchantment in person (and probably never will), I agree that they seem like very similar shows.
I think the difference is that HEA is a B+ version of that show (I don't like it as much as other people, mainly because of issues with the projections) whereas Enchantment is a C- version.
Disney4family
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gerarar
Premium Member
Pyro update!!
Seems like Disney took my advice and added a bunch of comets to the finale when the narrator says "You. Are. The. Magic.". This is now almost a 1-for-1 copy of the HEA finale after the final "Reach out and find your...", except the comets here in DE don't explode after reaching their max height.
A step in the right direction, but maybe they shoot off too quickly? Add like a couple hundred millisecond delays between each one to lengthen the sequence..
Timestamped livestream:
On another note, still using a bunch of flying fishes in the finale, and Mulan shell is gone again.
Seems like Disney took my advice and added a bunch of comets to the finale when the narrator says "You. Are. The. Magic.". This is now almost a 1-for-1 copy of the HEA finale after the final "Reach out and find your...", except the comets here in DE don't explode after reaching their max height.
A step in the right direction, but maybe they shoot off too quickly? Add like a couple hundred millisecond delays between each one to lengthen the sequence..
Timestamped livestream:
On another note, still using a bunch of flying fishes in the finale, and Mulan shell is gone again.
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Nice!! Now get PTN MK!! LOL!!!!!!
wtyy21
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I also watch the unusual finale on many TikTok videos. Still doesn't much as good as current-returned DL Forever finale, where long tail fireworks have been returned along with changes of pyrotechnics, giving the atmosphere of the original 2015 finale (see 14:29 for the pyro finale).
Disney Analyst
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Disneyland Forever returned gloriously, with pyro intact and a stunning finale.
DE wishes.
Vinnie Mac
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Returns of old shows have been pretty good so far.
DL Forever: Full Package
FITS New Years: Full Package
EPCOT New Years: Full Package
MWC: Mostly intact.
DL Forever is still missing the low pyro while the pinwheels are going that they had during the 60th.
gerarar
Premium Member
FITS didn't have the full 360° package, even though it was possible. The only launchers that were out were the one near Tron and some other one for "Project Nugget" I think.
Also, compared to 2020's, some shells were reduced.
wtyy21
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Additionally, lots of low pyro during the Jungle Book, before Heffalumps and Woozles, and during Mary Poppins segments were missing or reduced compare to original 60th run. Post-pandemic HEA and EF also saw many change of pyro when they return.
Giss Neric
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Disneyland's Main Street building projections looks so crisp and clear compared to Magic Kingdom. I don't really have any desire to look at MK's projections other than the reveal of it which was pretty nice. It's like Disneyland is 1080p and Magic Kingdom is 480p.
Sir_Cliff
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They're both Disney shows, so there will always be a warm and fuzzy message to some degree.. . .
Happily Ever After's final narration:
"And so, our journey comes to an end. But yours continues on. Grab ahold of your dreams and make them come true. For you are the key to unlocking your own magic. Now go. Let your dreams guide you. Reach out and find your Happily Ever After."
Disney Enchantment's final narration:
"And so, when you have found what you seek, the magic of dreams come true in fact, lies within you. This magical kingdom remains a beacon to those with a wishing heart, giving every person who walks through these gates, this enchantment. Look inside yourself and realize that you have everything you need to make all your dreams come true. Anything is possible, for you are the magic."
Like I said before, I get that one show gives people the willies in a way that the other doesn't, but it is some rose-colored behavior to pretend the messages of these shows are really any different. They both make similar, half-hearted cliche attempts at rousing peoples' self-actualizitation after projecting 10 minutes of clips of Disney Heroes
You have every right to prefer one over the other - I do too, in fact - but people act like they're night and day when really these 2 shows are a little more like the difference between 2 and 4pm.
That said, I do think there is a difference to how cloying that message is between HEA and Enchantment. At least the lyrics of the HEA song are about making choices and choosing your own path, which more or less matches up with the hero's journey theme of the projections. You could at least listen to that song and take away a message about taking charge of your own destiny based on your own definition of what happily ever after means.
My impression of the theme song for Enchantment is the same as my impression of virtually every other aspect of the show: it's just a bit lazy. As you say, neither it nor the projections are on completely different planets, but for me everything in Enchantment is like the knock-off version of what was in HEA. That also goes for the theme song, which is so vacuous it has become a punchline and could have been generated by a randomiser filled with vague affirmations and references to Disney motifs. It ends up vaguely suggesting we're all idiots for spending so much money on a WDW vacation when all along we were the magic and it follows us everywhere we go.
While I agree that the shows are not exactly night and day including the overall message, I do think the differences are big enough to make one of the shows too cloying and saccharine for my liking. Then again, I was also one of the few who apparently felt a little that way about Believe.
Disney Glimpses
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There's no practical reason 4th of July fireworks wouldn't happen. New Years Eve fireworks happened just fine. I would expect Celebrate America to return. No idea re: EPCOT.