Animaniac93-98
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Of the Disney fireworks shows produced over the last 10 years, I still like Disney Dreams from Paris best.
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News 'Disney Enchantment' coming to Magic Kingdom October 1 2021
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I agree that this was surprisingly good. It even managed to make "Simply Having a Wonderful Christmastime" tolerable!! And that's a tall order!
The previous Christmas fireworks, IMO, was dreadful.
yensidtlaw1969
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I didn't say it was. I said it wasn't well-recieved upfront. You can go back though the boards and see what people were saying when the show arrived - it wasn't the grand slam you'd think it was with the way people talk about it now. That extended beyond the boards, as well - there are of course people who have always liked it, but it was far from unanimous.
I'm basically looking at how the structure and content of the shows and pointing out that there are way more similarities between them than there are differences - there are plenty of moments where the shows are nearly indistinguishable - and stating that the most major difference (aside from runtime) is that HEA built to an actually satisfying musical moment at the end in a way that Disney Enchantment doesn't.
You can try to dismiss my opinion in any way you like, but I think my posting history shows I'm capable of more nuance than "I don't like it so anyone who does is wrong". You don't have to agree with my point to understand what it actually is, but that's hard to do while rolling your eyes.
Not to mention that I did enjoy Happily Ever After. It's not like I'm taking cheap shots at the show, I just don't think it was the second coming it's now made out to be, and the latency of its hype seems to track with a pattern of WDW guest behavior. I feel like that's worth talking about.
Giss Neric
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I hope with Enchantment having polarizing opinions but leaning more towards negative it will give them enough motivation to create a new show and just consider Enchantment being the "anniversary show." If they decide to bring back HEA at the end of the 50th celebration, I want some changes to it. I'm so over the Moana songs right now.
Vinnie Mac
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You wanna know what's cool about that show too? It manages to retain that "classic Disney" feel in a modern way. It's also a quality mostly-IP free project which is a rare thing to come by these days.
flynnibus
Premium Member
and as I said... 'people dealing with change' is a big portion of that.. not just people forgetting or something. It replaced a show that many put on a pedestal and as I noted made changes not everyone liked to start with. When people are resisting change they also shut themselves off from being open to things.. which later they back off of.
You can go back and find all my hate on HEA's launch because I could not get over that opening song. But I also think it's the greatest castle show they've put out now and think it's a poster child for the Disney hub firework show.
Vinnie Mac
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Took me a good 3 minutes to realize you weren't talking about the WDW 100th year celebration.
gerarar
Premium Member
That "old" stuff was only about 3 years old (discounting the closure). It didn't need to be replaced, at all.
Seems more and more likely it was just green lit to give WDW (and more specifically the MK) something for the lackluster-ish 50th.
wdwfan22
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That’s opinion. It was well known that a 50th anniversary fireworks show would be offered.
Animaniac93-98
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"Celebrate 100 years of Disney with a show that only features IP from the last 10..."
WorldExplorer
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I feel like couple years from now Disney is going to have a completely different recounting of events than everyone else, where Enchantment was a wonderful show that people liked but it was taken away because it was made solely for the fiftieth as an exclusive.
Subsequently, they can use it to try and make it look like the anniversary wasn't a gigantic let down; look at the great, exclusive show they made!
(I feel like the same thing will happen for KiteTails.)
Subsequently, they can use it to try and make it look like the anniversary wasn't a gigantic let down; look at the great, exclusive show they made!
(I feel like the same thing will happen for KiteTails.)
IDK....Wasn't it going back and forth between a Show for the 50th and a 50th Tag for HEA?? COVID could be to blame for the confusion........
As for New Vs Old...... Who else is looking forward to Fri at DLR?!?!?
wdwfan22
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Disneyland Forever is much better than Mickey's Mix Magic. Whoever thought that was a good idea should no longer be involved in entertainment. Disneyland does need a new fireworks show and hopefully will get one soon.
Vinnie Mac
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Me! Never even been to Disneyland but World of Color and Disneyland Forever returning has made me very happy. I feel like Disneyland Forever coming back is pretty big. It shows that if a show is truly loved and popular enough, it can come back. This is the second time it's been brought back to the park.
Vinnie Mac
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I feel like KiteTails is more of a permanent offer. At this point, it's become less of a show for you to sit down and watch. Moreso something you see while walking by and you might stop to see for a few minutes.
WorldExplorer
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It just feels like every time I talk to the people there they talk like it's an exclusive. And liability of it (more than once they've overshot the landing zone and almost hit people with a kite) just doesn't seem to outweigh the lukewarm at best reception.
I mean, I have no doubt they meant it as a permanent offer, I just think it's not going to end up actually being one. And as much as people say it, I don't think any show presented in a giant theater is ever going to stop hooking in people who come in and spend time waiting for it.
Goofywilliam
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Disney Dreams is the most charming and beautiful nighttime spectaculars I have ever seen!
Vinnie Mac
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I kinda wanted to come back to this comment to add on to what I said earlier. I definitely don't think Enchantment has the same impact as HEA does. And another reason why I placed HEA at the level of Illuminations is because both of those shows spread very real messages. Most WDW shows don't do this. Wishes told you that if you wished upon a star, all of your wishes would come true. This isn't really true but it still does get you teary eyed.
HEA and Illuminations on the other hand has messages that do apply to the real world. Illuminations tells you that "we will go on" as one nation and one global community through the pain, the tears and the challenges of each century. HEA literally tells you to follow your dreams and find your Happily Ever After.
"And so, our journey comes to an end. But yours continues on. Grab ahold of your dreams and make them come true. For you are the key to unlocking your own magic. Now go. Let your dreams guide you. Reach out and find your Happily Ever After."
And you know what comes after that. And I'm clearly not the only one emotionally impacted by this show and its message. Most reaction videos you see of HEA ends with the person in the video in tears or in an emotional state. That's what it takes to make the best show. When it makes people relate to something and feel something, that's what it's about.
Disney Glimpses
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I put it at 50/50. HEA would be a quick and free-ish win to bring back. That being said, while the show contains much more of the 100 year history it does not include Mickey Mouse or Wish Upon A Star; if they were to plan a 100th Anniversary Show, I don't think HEA would be what they would use for it.