Disney Co pledges to Reduce Carbon Emissions to Zero

AREM

New Member
IDK how they're going to pull that off with all of those buses driving around.

ONE MORE REASON to build a resort wide monorail system!

Seriously, I don't know why they won't.........It's SUPER green (it runs off electricity not fuel), and it takes less people to run it so they would be saving money on labor, its looks fantastic and is a super Disney way to travel. No traffic, and more people could be moved.

While the Disney busses are at he mercy of the traffic on the roads, Disney could schedule the monorails to stay moving smoothly with little to no congestion.

Its perfect.

And while it may cost a butt load of money, it would pay off in the long run.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
ONE MORE REASON to build a resort wide monorail system!

Seriously, I don't know why they won't.........It's SUPER green (it runs off electricity not fuel), and it takes less people to run it so they would be saving money on labor, its looks fantastic and is a super Disney way to travel. No traffic, and more people could be moved.

While the Disney busses are at he mercy of the traffic on the roads, Disney could schedule the monorails to stay moving smoothly with little to no congestion.

Its perfect.

And while it may cost a butt load of money, it would pay off in the long run.
But how does Disney currently generate its electricity? Coal...so they are not all that green. When Disney starts getting the majority of there electricity form solar, wind or nuclear then we can talk about monorail expansion being a green option.

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Pongo

New Member
I guess we know the fate of the inferno barge now.

Nice find!

...Doesn't that run off of natural gas?

And as for Nuclear power...it is the cleanest AND most efficient energy source today. And I believe the analogy about nuclear waste was that all of the waste produced by US Nuclear power plants since we started using Nuclear energy would fit into a room the size of a High School Gym with room left over. Limiting and storing nuclear waste has gotten grossly more efficient since we started using the technology. There are just too many hurdles to jump through because of activists here and environmentalists (not to mention their scare tactics) that make it way too difficult and expensive to build a new nuclear plant.

Uhm, I don't think a lot of this is very accurate. Up until a few weeks ago, we were considering storing our nuclear waste under a MOUNTAIN. There's a lot of it out there, and yes, it's bad. Even the US Department of Energy has stated that there are "millions of gallons of radioactive waste" as well as "thousands of tons of spent nuclear fuel and material" and also "huge quantities of contaminated soil and water."

Yes, nuclear power is cleaner and more efficient that COAL... but as someone stated earlier, when put up against heavy-hitters like wind, solar, hydro, geothermal... there's no competition. Environmentalists know what they're talking about :wave:

But anyway, I'm really proud of Disney for setting this goal. And if it actually happens, which I'm actually fairly leery of, then I think it will be a GREAT example for other companies and industries out there to live up to. Brave, Disney.

Now just stick by that promise :lol:
 

DisneyDellsDude

New Member
I love that they are going to all LED christmas lights. By this upcomming holiday season, all 4 parks will only have LED or compact florecents. This was true for all of the resorts this past season.:xmas:

Disney could do some amazing things if they actually tried and invested money. This past decade really has been a dud for the company.
 

hokielutz

Well-Known Member
...Doesn't that run off of natural gas?


Yes, nuclear power is cleaner and more efficient that COAL... but as someone stated earlier, when put up against heavy-hitters like wind, solar, hydro, geothermal... there's no competition. Environmentalists know what they're talking about :wave:

:lol:

Not quite sure what you mean by heavy-hitters... but solar and wind cannot be depended on to provide 24/7 power to a place like Disney. Who wants to get stuck at the top of ToT or E:E because of a brownout related to a cloudy day or reduced wind. In terms of providing power that is reliable and in sustained quantity, nuclear would be the best of the mentioned options.

Yes, the big drawback is storing and disposing properly the spent fuel rods.

Besides, most any system of clean energy will have to have backup or redundencies to suppliment the grid when clouds are heavy, nighttime falls, wind is not prevalent, or if there is a drought. The smaller wind turbines shown earlier in this thread will catch less wind than the large bladed turbines that you will might find out in the country. The smaller turbines are good to go on top of tall buildings in a city, but not on top of the showbuildings in the parks.... it needs to be higher to catch the sustained & unblocked airflow.


I know this next statement will draw opinions from both sides, but who wants to see a giant wind turbine poking up from behind frontierland or Fantasyland? Tomorrowland... sure.

Anyways... let the green-flaming begin.
 

Missing20K

Well-Known Member
I might get flamed for this, but oh well. After thinking some more about the new initiatives, I realized that while it is certainly a step in the right direction, I question their motives. Follow me, if you choose, for a moment. There has been lots of talk recently about the decline in quality, increase in cost-savings, management route the executives have taken over the past few years. (or more, or less, or not at all, depending on your opinion) There have been calls of Wal-Mart-ization of the parks, spearheaded by Jay Rasulo and Bob Iger. Now, if the rumors and innuendo's are to be believed, their singular goal is to try and generate the greatest profit margins possible, mainly by increasing cost savings, and finding the least expensive ways to run the business. This has been likened to Wal-Mart, and the way in which they run their business (rightly or wrongly). I'm not attempting to debate whether or not the above is true. What I find ironic, is that Wal-Mart began "green" initiatives a few years ago in all their new and remodeled stores. Automatic lights, sun lights, solar panels, white roofs, low-water restrooms and breakrooms, among other steps. Now, the reason for them doing this should be obvious to anyone who has a slight understanding of Wal-Mart and business. Wal-Mart, as most people know, do everything with one goal in mind...profits. Wal-Mart did not do any of the above for goodwill with customers, or to be a "green" company, or to lead large businesses into a new "green" economy. These may have all been side effects of what they did, but their goal is to make money. They realized, smartly I might add, that by going "green" the cost savings over the long-haul are far greater than the initial investment.

While it their motives are ultimately unimportant, if the ends are positive, I find it ironic that while there is a perceived Wal-Mart-ization happening at WDW that is "bad", this could be a Wal-Mart-izing that could be "good." But in my opinion, it could be a sign of yet more efforts to find "cost-savings" within park operations, as opposed to finding ways to increase brand loyalty, market share, and overall quality. 2 kissing lincolns.

And as far as the nuclear/non-nuclear debate. It can be a helpful supplement, but the fact that mining and disposal of toxic materials takes place, makes me hope for increased efficiencies in renewable energy sources.

And I have a question if anyone has an answer. Roughly, how much energy does WDW use in a given day, or year? For example, a new solar farm in Arizona is generating approx. .147 MW per acre. If we can figure out WDW's energy needs, we could reasonably predict the size of land that would be needed to generate enough energy. Also, if they were to put PV panels on the roofs of buildings, parking structures, attractions, etc., the area of land needed would be further reduced.

Sorry for nuclear proponents, but solar is by far the way to go for the future. 100 square miles would be all this country needs.

*Steps down*

EDIT: Battery technology is what holds back solar as far as "cloudy" days and nightime.
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
For example, a new solar farm in Arizona is generating approx. .147 MW per acre. If we can figure out WDW's energy needs, we could reasonably predict the size of land that would be needed to generate enough energy. Also, if they were to put PV panels on the roofs of buildings, parking structures, attractions, etc., the area of land needed would be further reduced.

Sorry for nuclear proponents, but solar is by far the way to go for the future. 100 square miles would be all this country needs.

*Steps down*

EDIT: Battery technology is what holds back solar as far as "cloudy" days and nightime.
One minor problem. Comparing the solar output of a solar farm in Arizona is pretty much an apples to oranges comparison to pretty much every other state in the US save for Nevada and New Mexico. On average Orlando sees rain around 120 days every year. Yuma Arizona sees rain less than 20 days per year.

Two things need to happen to make solar a truly viable energy source. Photovoltaics need to get better and less expensive....which is happening, but battery technology also needs to be greatly improved. While there is a ton of research being don in this area progress seems to be very slow. It seems like photovoltaic improvements are in the tech news every few weeks but batteries only seem to show up every few months.
 

devoy1701

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Original Poster
...Doesn't that run off of natural gas?


Uhm, I don't think a lot of this is very accurate. Up until a few weeks ago, we were considering storing our nuclear waste under a MOUNTAIN. There's a lot of it out there, and yes, it's bad. Even the US Department of Energy has stated that there are "millions of gallons of radioactive waste" as well as "thousands of tons of spent nuclear fuel and material" and also "huge quantities of contaminated soil and water."

I see that you are a victim of the Mainstream Media. They then to blow things out of proportion. It's ok...it's very easy to get sucked in by them...my local media even recently ran a story saying FL lawmakers were considering taxing people who have to buy Corrective Lenses and Glasses to help with budget shortfalls...you actually think a tax on people's disabilities would be able to pass??? They just ran the story to get people ralled up. Nonetheless, I sent that State Representative an email anyway...

Millions of Gallons of anything does not take up that much space...probably would need a room about the size of...oh...a high school gym...

for example: a space to store 6,000,000 gallons of something would need to be about 150ftx1000ft...or any combinaton of roughly 150,000 sq feet.

thanks, come again! :wave:
 

Master Yoda

Pro Star Wars geek.
Premium Member
I see that you are a victim of the Mainstream Media. They then to blow things out of proportion. It's ok...it's very easy to get sucked in by them...my local media even recently ran a story saying FL lawmakers were considering taxing people who have to buy Corrective Lenses and Glasses to help with budget shortfalls...you actually think a tax on people's disabilities would be able to pass??? They just ran the story to get people ralled up. Nonetheless, I sent that State Representative an email anyway...

Millions of Gallons of anything does not take up that much space...probably would need a room about the size of...oh...a high school gym...

for example: a space to store 6,000,000 gallons of something would need to be about 150ftx1000ft...or any combinaton of roughly 150,000 sq feet.

thanks, come again! :wave:
If you want to get absolutely technical a gallon takes up .1336 cubic feet. To store 6 million gallons you would need a room 150' x 150' that was 40' tall.

or roughly the size of a high school gym:D
 

markjohns1

Member
I see that you are a victim of the Mainstream Media. They then to blow things out of proportion. It's ok...it's very easy to get sucked in by them...my local media even recently ran a story saying FL lawmakers were considering taxing people who have to buy Corrective Lenses and Glasses to help with budget shortfalls...you actually think a tax on people's disabilities would be able to pass??? They just ran the story to get people ralled up. Nonetheless, I sent that State Representative an email anyway...

Millions of Gallons of anything does not take up that much space...probably would need a room about the size of...oh...a high school gym...

for example: a space to store 6,000,000 gallons of something would need to be about 150ftx1000ft...or any combinaton of roughly 150,000 sq feet.

thanks, come again! :wave:
I'm pretty sure the Department of Energy is not considered part of the "Mainstream Media," who tend to always be the scapegoat when it comes to ridiculous debates. If all we needed was a high school gym, I'm pretty sure things like this and this would not exist or be needed. I'm fine with being a supporter of nuclear power, but please don't deemphasize the very real problem of nuclear waste and its disposal. Nuclear power is not perfect. If it was, we wouldn't need to drill half mile tunnels into mountains to get rid of its waste. Once (primarily economic) efficiency is improved on renewable sources of energy, this discussion won't even be needed.
 

Pongo

New Member
Not quite sure what you mean by heavy-hitters... but solar and wind cannot be depended on to provide 24/7 power to a place like Disney. Who wants to get stuck at the top of ToT or E:E because of a brownout related to a cloudy day or reduced wind. In terms of providing power that is reliable and in sustained quantity, nuclear would be the best of the mentioned options.

Yes, the big drawback is storing and disposing properly the spent fuel rods.

Besides, most any system of clean energy will have to have backup or redundencies to suppliment the grid when clouds are heavy, nighttime falls, wind is not prevalent, or if there is a drought. The smaller wind turbines shown earlier in this thread will catch less wind than the large bladed turbines that you will might find out in the country. The smaller turbines are good to go on top of tall buildings in a city, but not on top of the showbuildings in the parks.... it needs to be higher to catch the sustained & unblocked airflow.


I know this next statement will draw opinions from both sides, but who wants to see a giant wind turbine poking up from behind frontierland or Fantasyland? Tomorrowland... sure.

Anyways... let the green-flaming begin.

By "heavy-hitters" I just meant the forms of energy with no waste at all. Sure, the technology is just starting out and really not that economical right now, but with research, anything is possible.

Why not a combination of the energy sources?

That's probably the best solution for now.

I see that you are a victim of the Mainstream Media. They then to blow things out of proportion. It's ok...it's very easy to get sucked in by them...my local media even recently ran a story saying FL lawmakers were considering taxing people who have to buy Corrective Lenses and Glasses to help with budget shortfalls...you actually think a tax on people's disabilities would be able to pass??? They just ran the story to get people ralled up. Nonetheless, I sent that State Representative an email anyway...

Millions of Gallons of anything does not take up that much space...probably would need a room about the size of...oh...a high school gym...

for example: a space to store 6,000,000 gallons of something would need to be about 150ftx1000ft...or any combinaton of roughly 150,000 sq feet.

thanks, come again! :wave:

Actually, I'm a "victim" of my college course on global climate change :lol: :rolleyes:
 

Timon

Well-Known Member
Correct on all fronts. My wifes Saturn SL2's MPG is shy of what the hybrids are getting and costs considerably less. IMHO cars like the Chevy Volt that can run a moderate distance entirely on electric power with a small internal combustion engine as a back up are are immediate future.

Today's "full" hybrids are the first step away from internal combustion engines. The "Volt" is the next step - the plug in hybrid. There is bunch of companies coming out with plug in hybrids. Disney should pick and choose the vehicle that best fits (size) it's needs from any company not just GM.

I do have reservations that GM is going to build it though. I had heard they put the Volt factory construction on hold. For all their "green" chatter I don't think they have a "full" hybrid (like Prius). They have partial hybrids, flex fuel (a joke), a cylinder shut down scheme. The only GM hybrid I've heard about is the Escalade for a zillion dollars. Companies like Disney need to move people and material in vans, or SUV sized vehicles. Prius sized cars are generally too small to haul the volume.

Once photovoltaics get a little better hydrogen fuel cells will become a reality.

What do fuel cells have to do with photovoltaics?

Nuclear is very expensive as Master Yoda states, having a father in the business I know that every nuclear power plant is a "from scratch" custom job. In France there has been on common plan that has evolved from day one. Which cuts development costs and spare part costs. This is something we should consider too.
 

Timon

Well-Known Member
Correct on all fronts. My wifes Saturn SL2's MPG is shy of what the hybrids are getting and costs considerably less. IMHO cars like the Chevy Volt that can run a moderate distance entirely on electric power with a small internal combustion engine as a back up are are immediate future.

Today's "full" hybrids are the first step away from internal combustion engines. The "Volt" is the next step - the plug in hybrid. There is bunch of companies coming out with plug in hybrids. Disney should pick and choose the vehicle that best fits (size) it's needs from any company not just GM.

I do have reservations that GM is going to build it though. I had heard they put the Volt factory construction on hold. For all their "green" chatter I don't think they have a "full" hybrid (like Prius). They have partial hybrids, flex fuel (a joke), a cylinder shut down scheme. The only GM hybrid I've heard about is the Escalade for a zillion dollars. Companies like Disney need to move people and material in vans, or SUV sized vehicles. Prius sized cars are generally too small to haul the volume.

Once photovoltaics get a little better hydrogen fuel cells will become a reality.

What do fuel cells have to do with photovoltaics?

Nuclear is very expensive as Master Yoda states, having a father in the business I know that every nuclear power plant is a "from scratch" custom job. In France there has been on common plan that has evolved from day one. Which cuts development costs and spare part costs. This is something we should consider too.
 

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