Disney and Universal working on Marvel deal for Florida?

[H2O_Mouse-Ears]

Yeah, or three per year. Maybe one movie every four months is too much for you to digest but I think the rest of us can handle it.

I love MCU but I have to say it is getting super saturated with them pumping out so many through various outlets (Netflix, Cable TV, Movies). With DC getting into the mix, I would not be surprised if the mainstream population will get "Superhero fatigue" in a few years.

 

[GLaDOS]

Off topic: Do the Universal parks have an overarching "story" at all? Or do they freely acknowledge that they're a bunch of unrelated properties clumped together in a theme park. When you visit WWoHP, are you actually visiting that "world," or visiting the "movie world"? How is WWoHP in Islands of Adventure reconciled against WWoHP in US?

When in WWoHP, you are 100% in the Harry Potter Universe. There is no fake movie set theming or story. Same with Jurassic Park, Seuss, Transformers, Simpsons, MIB, etc. Universal's mostly done away with the "you're actually on the set of a movie" storyline that was prevalent in the older rides. There's still some leftovers (Mummy's incomprehensible story springs to mind), but for the most part you are IN the world of these properties.

 

[marni1971]

Off topic: Do the Universal parks have an overarching "story" at all? Or do they freely acknowledge that they're a bunch of unrelated properties clumped together in a theme park. When you visit WWoHP, are you actually visiting that "world," or visiting the "movie world"? How is WWoHP in Islands of Adventure reconciled against WWoHP in US?

Good question.

IOA can still be taken as various islands of adventures, with sub themes under the umbrella of the parks name. The studios never had a cohesive strong point, save for being "studio" based and a loose collection of themed areas - a collection that's become more diluted with time. But does it need a stronger theme? Does it need more than attractions based on various "studios" IPs? Or does it just work as an awesome collection of stellar movie-based attractions all in one park? Is that it's strong point as opposed to an overall, all-encompassing mother umbrella like the MK has? There's no denying IOA was always the better themed of the two Uni parks.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I think Disney's "trump card" is and always will be the value of the Disney brand itself. People go to Disney for DISNEY, with any individual land or attraction having relatively minimal impact under that umbrella. People who enjoy Universal as a theme park aren't going because they have any great love for the "Universal Studios" brand, because "Universal Studios" isn't much of a brand at all. That's why Universal sees attraction-driven spikes from brands they import like Potter and Transformers. As much as people complain about DHS as "Disney's Unrelated IP Park," Universal Studios is built on that very concept.

Off topic: Do the Universal parks have an overarching "story" at all? Or do they freely acknowledge that they're a bunch of unrelated properties clumped together in a theme park. When you visit WWoHP, are you actually visiting that "world," or visiting the "movie world"? How is WWoHP in Islands of Adventure reconciled against WWoHP in US?

I think Disney as a brand is eroding faster than sandstone in a rainforest. I know a BUNCH of former Disney Parks fans that really aren't now. While Frozon was a hit, kids today aren't married to the brand like they were when I was growing up. Of course, we didn't have a lot of options. Sat. morning cartoons, Sesame Street, The Electric Co., Zoom, Kukla Fran and Ollie, Sherri Lewis and Lambchop, and Capt. Kangaroo.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

IMHO there are only two or three IPs that could do that - Star Wars and Harry Potter fit the bill for sure and maybe LOTR. I just don't see Marvel having that pull.

Sorry, what?

Deathly Hallows - Part 2 - $1.3B
Marvel's The Avengers - $1.5B

This isn't a "bash the old guys" post, but Marvel IS pop culture for anyone under 35 right now.

 

[stretchsje]

They'll have to then. In Orlando at least.

Assuming they want to actually build another E in Orlando. It's been a long time now.

As speculation goes, the next one will be Star Wars in 2021? EE opened in 2006, so that's a rate of one every 15 years. Damn.

 

[marni1971]

As speculation goes, the next one will be Star Wars in 2021? EE opened in 2006, so that's a rate of one every 15 years. Damn.

Some argue EE isn't an E. I would.

Kilimanjaro was exceptional and probably an E in execution. Before that it was ToT. That was 21 years ago.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

But does it need a stronger theme? Does it need more than attractions based on various "studios" IPs? Or does it just work as an awesome collection of stellar movie-based attractions all in one park?

I personally don't care if it has a stronger theme, but if "various studio IPs" is sufficient for them, then it should be sufficient for DHS too. There's room to criticize DHS, but criticizing DHS on the basis of a lack of cohesion while simultaneously praising all that Universal does is a bit hypocritical (not saying you're doing that, but others definitely do).

The connection between the two Potter lands is the one thing that seems like a big break to me. It would be like linking Star Tours (with its current movie set props) to a land where you're ACTUALLY supposed to be on Tatooine.

 

[Progress.City]

Those are completely contradictory statements. If WDW needs Fire Mountain or an Indiana Jones DL type attraction, they can go ahead and build those things without bartering anything back regarding Marvel.

Right, for the MK. Marvel doesn't fit in MK, any way. Or that ride technology could be adapted with Marvel themes outside of the MK.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Right, for the MK. Marvel doesn't fit in MK, any way. Or that ride technology could be adapted with Marvel themes outside of the MK.

The absolute last thing WDW needs is something that will draw crowds to the MK. LAST.

In fact, I'd argue that the biggest reason DHS needs to be expanded is not for DHS' own sake, but to relieve the pressure on MK's gates. New Fantasyland completely backfired in that regard. It was supposed to be a sponge to absorb capacity, but it drew more crowds than it was able to handle and actually make MK more congested, not less.

 

[marni1971]

I personally don't care if it has a stronger theme, but if "various studio IPs" is sufficient for them, then it should be sufficient for DHS too. There's room to criticize DHS, but criticizing DHS on the basis of a lack of cohesion .

DHS can be cristisiced for two things - it's loss of the cohesiveness it used to have (not just 1990 era) and its lack of attractions. But that's another topic.

 

[H2O_Mouse-Ears]

The absolute last thing WDW needs is something that will draw crowds to the MK. LAST.

In fact, I'd argue that the biggest reason DHS needs to be expanded is not for DHS' own sake, but to relieve the pressure on MK's gates. New Fantasyland completely backfired in that regard. It was supposed to be a sponge to absorb capacity, but it drew more crowds than it was able to handle and actually make MK more congested, not less.

The New Plan: Frozen Ride in Norway Pavilion. WHOO HOO!!!!

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The New Plan: Frozen Ride in Norway Pavilion. WHOO HOO!!!!

Well yeah, that's exactly the thought operationally (all arguments about the "purity of Epcot" and other such things to be discussed elsewhere).

 

[marni1971]

New Fantasyland completely backfired in that regard. It was supposed to be a sponge to absorb capacity, but it drew more crowds than it was able to handle

Was just chatting about this with someone the other night. NFL lacks capacity. People are drawn in but there's not enough to do. It's been quietly acknowledged by the powers in Orlando. It should have been the sponge. It could have been. But it isn't.

 

[gmajew]

Was just chatting about this with someone the other night. NFL lacks capacity. People are drawn in but there's not enough to do. It's been quietly acknowledged by the powers in Orlando. It should have been the sponge. It could have been. But it isn't.

Is their more land for another attraction? I think NFL is a gorgeous themed land so would love to see another attraction. I will admit the story times have never drawn me in and I am sure I am not the only one.

 

[Progress.City]

The absolute last thing WDW needs is something that will draw crowds to the MK. LAST.

In fact, I'd argue that the biggest reason DHS needs to be expanded is not for DHS' own sake, but to relieve the pressure on MK's gates. New Fantasyland completely backfired in that regard. It was supposed to be a sponge to absorb capacity, but it drew more crowds than it was able to handle and actually make MK more congested, not less.

Hm... Muy interestante...

 

[Progress.City]

Is their more land for another attraction? I think NFL is a gorgeous themed land so would love to see another attraction. I will admit the story times have never drawn me in and I am sure I am not the only one.

Yes. There's expansions pads all over... One behind NFL. One next to Space Mountain. There's one near BTMRR. I think there's others... Martin?

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Yeah, or three per year. Maybe one movie every four months is too much for you to digest but I think the rest of us can handle it.

There are 17 Superhero shows on TV now or coming up (Powers, Daredevil, Gotham, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, Agent Carter, The Flash, Arrow, Constantine, Supergirl, AKA Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, Luke Cage, The Defenders, Titans, Lucifer, Preacher and Global Freq.)

Combine that with all the movies and you have a carp load of Superheros in the market now. And I digest just fine. But I usually sup on substance not the American manchild diet of Doritos, Mt. Dew, and Redbull.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Is their more land for another attraction? I think NFL is a gorgeous themed land so would love to see another attraction. I will admit the story times have never drawn me in and I am sure I am not the only one.

It wouldn't help. None of the rules of capacity and congestion seem to apply to Fantasyland for some reason. @marni1971 will disagree with me here, but I really don't think a new attraction would be the solution. When you build a new attraction in Fantasyland, more people show up to experience that attraction than the attraction is able to handle. Thus, your increased capacity has a counter-intuitive effect on park congestion. Demand grows more than supply. I think the solution to congestion in Fantasyland and the Magic Kingdom in general is to draw people away from the Magic Kingdom and into other parks. That means Avatar at DAK, Frozen in Epcot, and TBD in DHS.

 

[mahnamahna101]

Ok, most of that list aren't actual problems and won't be addressed.

Sorry, but I just wanted to point out both IOA and USF are far from being "complete." It'd take all of that for me to consider each 110% complete lol. Right now, IOA w/ Kong and the Raptor show is 62.5% finished. USF after F&F/Fallon is 80-85% finished.

You've copied and pasted this lost a number of times here. This is a wishlist and calls for a new rebuilding of each gate.

Isn't that kinda what Comcast is doing right now??

Twister transformed into Rock Center/the Tonight Show
Jimmy Neutron transformed into DM
the IFFF turned into Springfield
Amity turned into Diagon Alley
SS44 turned into Transformers
LC's carnival section turned into HP plaza and HE
MSHI's eventual revamp/refurb
the Thunder Falls plot transformed into Kong
the eventual revamp of KidZone
San Francisco replaced with F&F mini-land
Whatever happens with T2
Whatever happens with Fear Factor
Whatever happens with Shrek
Whatever happens with Toon Lagoon
Whatever happens with the old Trikes plot
Whatever happens with Lost Continent
Whatever happens with the Discovery Center
Whatever happens with the plot next to Cat
Whatever happens with the Grinchmas soundstage
Whatever happens with the MIB/Springfield plot

In a decade, both parks will be unrecognizable. That's pretty much a new rebuilding of each gate. All of the bold stuff is confirmed. And 50% of the non-bolded is fairly reasonable speculation.