Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Disney Irish

Premium Member
As far as people telling you what you should be thinking, that’s pretty much how life goes. Just politely acknowledge their input and then think for yourself.
And that is exactly how I can go into a movie without having some preconceived notion of how I'm suppose to think about it. I just ignore all of the rhetoric about it and just form my own opinion. I'm guessing a lot of people have lost that ability in the social media era.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
And that is exactly how I can go into a movie without having some preconceived notion of how I'm suppose to think about it. I just ignore all of the rhetoric about it and just form my own opinion. I'm guessing a lot of people have lost that ability in the social media era.
I’m at a loss when people counter my posts with “most people don’t think that way” or “most people don’t agree with you.”
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
Another thought - I believe you've talked about your wife checking to see if a film is "propaganda." If what makes a film propaganda is not innate in the film but rather the discussion around that film, I assume that checking to see if a film is "propaganda" consists of reading the discussion around the film. Isn't this a schrodinger's cat situation - the very act of intentionally engaging with the dialogue around the film changes a film from "not propaganda" to "propaganda?" - observation changes the nature of the thing observed? Why not just go into the film cold like you used to?
I wish we could have this conversation because it’s a good question and it deserves an answer.

I just don’t know how to have it on these forums.

In my lifetime this is the closest I have seen the two “sides” be to flat out hating each other.

That is not a good thing. But I’m sure you sense it yourself.

It’s like a line has been drawn in the sand and you better make sure your money does not cross to the other side.

Don’t act like it’s one sided either. You know both sides can be crazy.

So the answer to your question is, I don’t want to give my money to people who hate me.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I doubt many people could name 7 actors with dwarfism in the history of acting. Off the top of my head it’s Warwick Davis, Peter Dinklage, Gary Coleman (not even sure he had dwarfism, I seem to remember he had kidney issues), Brad Williams (technically a hilarious comedian but I think he’s acted also), Emanuel Lewis, then Mini Me (can’t remember his name), and the “plane” guy from Paradise Island (can’t remember his name). Hard to get famous if you can’t get a job.

Herve' Villachez! Da plane, da plane! (I'm sure I spelled his name wrong, and I can't find the tilda key on my keyboard)

Honestly, I'm old and I remember when dwarf actors were in some stuff semi-regularly and we didn't have to pretend they don't exist. And yet the only names that come to mind are Billy Barty and Herve Villachez.

If I didn't have a date on Saturday nights, I was rather happy with the double feature of The Love Boat and Fantasy Island. Or... now that I think about it more, if I was getting ready to go out I was blow drying my hair to Fantasy Island to hit the bars looking good right at the magic hour.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
We will never see a movie as great as the original Time Bandits.
Why couldn't the dwarves look like this?

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Phroobar

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Honestly, I'm old and I remember when dwarf actors were in some stuff semi-regularly and we didn't have to pretend they don't exist. And yet the only names that come to mind are Billy Barty and Herve Villachez.
What about Kenny Baker (played R2-D2), Warwick Davis (Willow), Felix Silla (Twiki), David Rappaport and Jack Purvis?
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry but did something happen in the past 12 hours? Because as far as I can tell nothing new has happened.

Jonah Platt, the adult son of Snow White's producer Marc Platt, got into an Instagram spat with Palestine fans who were accusing Marc Platt of "harassing" Rachel Zegler over her outspoken political views. Here's the quote Jonah Platt posted on Instagram....

"Yeah, my dad, the producer of [an] enormous piece of Disney IP with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line, had to leave his family to fly across the country to reprimand his 20-year-old employee for dragging her personal politics into the middle of promoting the movie for which she signed a multi-million dollar contract to get paid and do publicity for."

And then in another post he went on to push back on the people defending Miss Zegler and criticizing his dad for daring to stand up to her and her antics as the producer of the mega-budget movie...

"This is called adult responsibility and accountability. And her actions clearly hurt the film’s box office. Free speech does not mean you’re allowed to say whatever you want in your private employment without repercussions."

Platt continued, "Tens of thousands of people worked on that film, and she hijacked the conversation for her own immature desires at the risk of all the colleagues and crew and blue-collar workers who depend on that movie to be successful."

And with that Instagram exchange, Mr. Platt basically summed many of the arguments in this thread that criticize Miss Zegler and get people branded as ists and phobes and Hate Network members for daring to agree.

So, yeah, something new happened in the past 12 hours.

 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
Jonah Platt, the adult son of Snow White's producer Marc Platt, got into an Instagram spat with Palestine fans who were accusing Marc Platt of "harassing" Rachel Zegler over her outspoken political views. Here's the quote Jonah Platt posted on Instagram....

"Yeah, my dad, the producer of [an] enormous piece of Disney IP with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line, had to leave his family to fly across the country to reprimand his 20-year-old employee for dragging her personal politics into the middle of promoting the movie for which she signed a multi-million dollar contract to get paid and do publicity for."
And then in another post he went on to say to the people defending Miss Zegler and criticizing his dad for daring to stand up to her and her antics...
"This is called adult responsibility and accountability. And her actions clearly hurt the film’s box office. Free speech does not mean you’re allowed to say whatever you want in your private employment without repercussions."

Platt continued, "Tens of thousands of people worked on that film, and she hijacked the conversation for her own immature desires at the risk of all the colleagues and crew and blue-collar workers who depend on that movie to be successful."

And with that Instagram exchange, Mr. Platt basically summed many of the arguments in this thread that criticize Miss Zegler and get people branded as ists and phobes and Hate Network members for daring to agree.

So, yeah, something new happened in the past 12 hours.

Just add it to the list, it likely won’t affect the Snow White box office much, just one more talking point and another nail in its coffin.
 

Agent H

Well-Known Member
Jonah Platt, the adult son of Snow White's producer Marc Platt, got into an Instagram spat with Palestine fans who were accusing Marc Platt of "harassing" Rachel Zegler over her outspoken political views. Here's the quote Jonah Platt posted on Instagram....

"Yeah, my dad, the producer of [an] enormous piece of Disney IP with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line, had to leave his family to fly across the country to reprimand his 20-year-old employee for dragging her personal politics into the middle of promoting the movie for which she signed a multi-million dollar contract to get paid and do publicity for."

And then in another post he went on to push back on the people defending Miss Zegler and criticizing his dad for daring to stand up to her and her antics...

"This is called adult responsibility and accountability. And her actions clearly hurt the film’s box office. Free speech does not mean you’re allowed to say whatever you want in your private employment without repercussions."

Platt continued, "Tens of thousands of people worked on that film, and she hijacked the conversation for her own immature desires at the risk of all the colleagues and crew and blue-collar workers who depend on that movie to be successful."

And with that Instagram exchange, Mr. Platt basically summed many of the arguments in this thread that criticize Miss Zegler and get people branded as ists and phobes and Hate Network members for daring to agree.

So, yeah, something new happened in the past 12 hours.

Problem with those comments is that they weren’t made in private employment. They were made separately and were then were then dug up later in a (obviously successful) attempt at creating #controversy.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
What I find surprising in that information from Jonah Platt is that his dad had to do this himself. I would think a big company like Disney would have an HR senior exec step in and reprimand Rachal Zegler for sabotaging the movie and dragging her political beliefs into a cartoon movie where it doesn't belong.

But I guess that is actually the job of the "producer", to have to reprimand unprofessional employees of the film during and after production leading up to the film's release? Who knew?!

It's ridiculous that a producer has to do that sort of thing with wayward employees, but Miss Zegler managed to do it.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Jonah Platt, the adult son of Snow White's producer Marc Platt, got into an Instagram spat with Palestine fans who were accusing Marc Platt of "harassing" Rachel Zegler over her outspoken political views. Here's the quote Jonah Platt posted on Instagram....

"Yeah, my dad, the producer of [an] enormous piece of Disney IP with hundreds of millions of dollars on the line, had to leave his family to fly across the country to reprimand his 20-year-old employee for dragging her personal politics into the middle of promoting the movie for which she signed a multi-million dollar contract to get paid and do publicity for."
And then in another post he went on to say to the people defending Miss Zegler and criticizing his dad for daring to stand up to her and her antics...
"This is called adult responsibility and accountability. And her actions clearly hurt the film’s box office. Free speech does not mean you’re allowed to say whatever you want in your private employment without repercussions."

Platt continued, "Tens of thousands of people worked on that film, and she hijacked the conversation for her own immature desires at the risk of all the colleagues and crew and blue-collar workers who depend on that movie to be successful."

And with that Instagram exchange, Mr. Platt basically summed many of the arguments in this thread that criticize Miss Zegler and get people branded as ists and phobes and Hate Network members for daring to agree.

So, yeah, something happened in the past 12 hours.

That story didn't break in the past 12 hours though, even if that outlet only reported on it now they are late to the party. So that story is already old by this point. Someone even posted about it in the last day or two, but I believe it was deleted by the MODs.

So yeah nothing new has happened in the past 12 hours, so its in the same state it was yesterday.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Just add it to the list, it likely won’t affect the Snow White box office much, just one more talking point and another nail in its coffin.

Agreed. And I don't think it was the only reason for the movie's floppy performance. But certainly an unneeded part of its demise in the global marketplace.

And I get that the producer's son is defending his dad here, who is clearly at the end of his rope with Miss Zegler.
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
Problem with those comments is that they weren’t made in private employment. They were made separately and were then were then dug up later in a (obviously successful) attempt at creating #controversy.
Umm, wrong. The exact opposite, in fact; her comments were thanking the fans for the response to the Snow White trailer, and that was her reply to that comment

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Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
Problem with those comments is that they weren’t made in private employment. They were made separately and were then were then dug up later in a (obviously successful) attempt at creating #controversy.
She literally thanked people for watching the Snow White trailer, and then added free Palestine, they were intrinsically linked.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
That story didn't break in the past 12 hours though, even if that outlet only reported on it now they are late to the party. So that story is already old by this point. Someone even posted about it in the last day or two, but I believe it was deleted by the MODs.

So yeah nothing new has happened in the past 12 hours, so its in the same state it was yesterday.

No one mentioned that topic in this thread a day or two ago. We'd remember that. You must be thinking of something else.

The oldest media reporting on this I can find came from 18 hours ago in The Hollywood Reporter. Then Variety and People picked up the story 17 hours ago. It hit the major media in the past 2 to 4 hours (11am Mountain Time), on Fox News, USA Today, Newsweek, etc. Entertainment Weekly just put up its story on it less than 15 minutes ago.

So yes, it's a new story and is now popping up on the front page of major news websites in the past 6 hours or less.

Jonah Takes On....jpg
 

Agent H

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