Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Ayla]

The X Games are still a thing. (Generally speaking, not in a DCA context.) A lot of those sports have found acceptance in one way or another in the Olympics because of the influence the X Games have had over the last 30 years.

Total aside, but one of my favorite X Games tie-ins is the PlayStation game that came out alongside the initial iteration (back when they were the Extreme Games). Then ESPN reporter Suzy Kolber has all of these hilarious in-game videos where she more or less mocks the player for being terrible at the game.

Yes, the X Games happen in multiple locations across the country every year...and have for like the last 25? 30? years.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

I don’t think the film’s failure can be attributed to either actress. I very much it would be making much more at the box office if it had different leads.

A word got lost, I suspect it’s doubt so I will answer in kind.

Had they cast Zegler in BaTB and cast Emma Watson in SW I think the box office results would have been drastically different for both, I think BaTB would have still done more than SW (2017 was a different market and it’s a more popular movie) but I also suspect BaTB would have done about $300 million less and SW would have done about $300 million more purely on name recognition and actor likability. Despite the conversation about actors not drawing crowds anymore I think Emma Watson is a much bigger draw than Zegler and had a substantial impact on BaTB doing $1.3 billion.

 

[Ayla]

There has been a pretty big drought of new stars, every “big” name draw I thought of was middle age or higher… Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, Harrison Ford, Jim Carrey, Julia Robert’s, Angelina Jolie, Brad Pitt, Will Smith, Keanu Reaves, Sandra … all middle age or older.

The only young(er) stars that come to mind are Tom Holland, Zendaya, Chris Pratt, and Ryan Reynolds.

Ryan Reynolds is only a year younger than Jolie. Pratt is in his mid 40's.

 

[LittleBuford]

A word got lost, I suspect it’s doubt so I will answer in kind.

Had they cast Zegler in BaTB and cast Emma Watson in SW I think the box office results would have been drastically different for both, I think BaTB would have still done more than SW (2017 was a different market and it’s a more popular movie) but I also suspect BaTB would have done about $300 million less and SW would have done about $300 million more purely on name recognition and actor likability. Despite the conversation about actors not drawing crowds anymore I think Emma Watson is a much bigger draw than Zegler and had a substantial impact on BaTB doing $1.3 billion.

Thanks for the catch; I added the missing word, which was indeed “doubt”.

I disagree that things would have played out that way in your theoretical scenario, but since we’re both talking about counterfactual situations, we’ll never know which of us is correct.

 

[coffeefan]

Writer for Despicable Me and other Universal/ Apple movies/shows.

 

[TP2000]

Those of us that actually follow movies knew, and it was discussed here in this very thread briefly last year.

I've actually also seen it (actually went to the theater for it and everything) and its pretty good. Its a campy 90s nostalgia filled horror/thriller/comedy. As someone who worked in IT during the Y2K panic it was a fun romp through the memories of the fears of the day.

Really? It doesn't ring a bell for me as I reflect back on this fabulolus thread. According to Google, it was apparently made for "a budget less than $15 Million" (so I just put it as $10 Million in her career tally) and it made $4.4 Million at the box office.

At $15 per ticket, that means roughly 290,000 Americans saw her in Y2K, or roughly the population of Anchorage, Alaska (Anchorage city limits only, and not those uppity suburbs of Chugiak and Eklutna).

Something tells me Snow White is going to be Miss Zegler's last movie for awhile. Sorry, Anchorage.

 

[TP2000]

Yes, the X Games happen in multiple locations across the country every year.

At least boot cut and baggier jeans have now come back in style. So hopefully the kids can repurpose those from '03.

 

[Farerb]

Really? It doesn't ring a bell for me as I reflect back on this fabulolus thread. According to Google, it was apparently made for "a budget less than $15 Million" (so I just put it as $10 Million in her career tally) and it made $4.4 Million at the box office.

At $15 per ticket, that means roughly 290,000 Americans saw her in Y2K, or roughly the population of Anchorage, Alaska (Anchorage city limits only, and not those uppity suburbs of Chugiak and Eklutna).

Something tells me Snow White is going to be Miss Zegler's last movie for awhile. Sorry, Anchorage.

You need to take into consideration the additional money Disney had to pay for security for Gal Gadot thanks to miss Zegler and add it to the film's budget.

 

[Disney Irish]

Really? It doesn't ring a bell for me as I reflect back on this fabulolus thread. According to Google, it was apparently made for "a budget less than $15 Million" (so I just put it as $10 Million in her career tally) and it made $4.4 Million at the box office.

At $15 per ticket, that means roughly 290,000 Americans saw her in Y2K, or roughly the population of Anchorage, Alaska (Anchorage city limits only, and not those uppity suburbs of Chugiak and Eklutna).

Something tells me Snow White is going to be Miss Zegler's last movie for awhile. Sorry, Anchorage.

It doesn't matter how many tickets it sold. The point was it was known and was discussed here in this thread where you remember it or not.

As for her future prospects, only her agent and management team know what lies ahead for her beyond the announced West End revival of Evita in June. But there are MANY MANY MANY projects in Hollywood, from huge budget franchise movies to streaming movies to small indy projects that only cinephiles know and talk about. So I'm fairly certain that she'll be cast in another role soon enough even if its not a huge budget Disney film that we talk about here.

 

[Disney Irish]

You need to take into consideration the additional money Disney had to pay for security for Gal Gadot thanks to miss Zegler and add it to the film's budget.

That is so minuscule comparatively, its a rounding error, ie not enough to truly affect the budget.

And as some tried to push on me regarding my recent comments of the budget, please provide actual documentation that shows how much that added to the films budget. I doubt you'll find any, but please do if you can. If its more than $100K (and that seems high) I'd be surprised.

 

[Disney Irish]

And in other news, Netflix's latest big budget movie The Electric State starring latest "it" girl Millie Bobbie Brown and "it" guy Chris Pratt flops on the service, has worse ratings than Snow White and cost a whole lot more (reportedly over $320M putting it on the highest budget movies of all time list) too. I vaguely remember talk on the web that Netflix had even considered a full theatrical release for it which is why they had a Premiere at Netflix's owned Grauman's Egyptian Theater, but beyond that premiere that didn't happen and it wasn't released to theaters. I suspect after they saw the final cut of the film.

Which shows that not every movie in the market is going to be a winner no matter who stars are in it or how much budget it has attributed to it.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The central mistake in the production of Snow White seems obvious to me - the Dwarfs are the focus of the original film. Snow and the Prince are ciphers. The meat of the film is the antics of the Dwarfs. They are also the only characters with an arc. And yet the Dwarfs seem not even to have been included in the film as originally shot. Imagine the press from casting seven well-known comedians in the key roles.

 

[Tha Realest]

That is so minuscule comparatively, its a rounding error, ie not enough to truly affect the budget.

And as some tried to push on me regarding my recent comments of the budget, please provide actual documentation that shows how much that added to the films budget. I doubt you'll find any, but please do if you can. If its more than $100K (and that seems high) I'd be surprised.

The difference is his suggestion was obviously intended as a joke, whereas your assertion was meant to be serious and is unintentionally funny.

 

[Tha Realest]

It doesn't matter how many tickets it sold. The point was it was known and was discussed here in this thread where you remember it or not.

As for her future prospects, only her agent and management team know what lies ahead for her beyond the announced West End revival of Evita in June. But there are MANY MANY MANY projects in Hollywood, from huge budget franchise movies to streaming movies to small indy projects that only cinephiles know and talk about. So I'm fairly certain that she'll be cast in another role soon enough even if its not a huge budget Disney film that we talk about here.

Fair or not, she is going to be saddled with the stink of this failure and is likely viewed as a headache actor to deal with in terms of marketing and PR. Those are two big hurdles to overcome for studios.

She’s been supposedly rumored for a few Disney projects (MCU, Phantom of the Opera). Let’s watch and see if they sign her up to any of those soon.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I said this when the Seven United Hobos of Benetton photo was leaked, but this film should have been used as a tax write-off like Batgirl. That would have allowed them to immediately put a faithful live-action version of Snow White into production.

 

[Trauma]

The central mistake in the production of Snow White seems obvious to me - the Dwarfs are the focus of the original film. Snow and the Prince are ciphers. The meat of the film is the antics of the Dwarfs. They are also the only characters with an arc. And yet the Dwarfs seem not even to have been included in the film as originally shot. Imagine the press from casting seven well-known comedians in the key roles.

The original movie came out in 1937 and evidently so. Hahahaha

Disney has cast 7 wonderfully talented comedians as the dwarves but seem to have forgotten, I am the star of the show.

Weird, Weird

Anyways they are taking screen time away from me and the girl power message, so maybe they will just be cut out of the film entirely.

Who knows what’s going to happen.

That’s Hollywood baby!!

 

[Casper Gutman]

I said this when the Seven United Hobos of Benetton photo was leaked, but this film should have been used as a tax write-off like Batgirl. That would have allowed them to immediately put a faithful live-action version of Snow White into production.

Absolutely no one needs “a faithful live-action version of Snow White.”

Posters rightfully denigrate the existence of the live-action remakes and then turn around and get mad that they aren’t faithful enough. Almost like the point is just to get mad.

 

[LittleBuford]

I said this when the Seven United Hobos of Benetton photo was leaked, but this film should have been used as a tax write-off like Batgirl. That would have allowed them to immediately put a faithful live-action version of Snow White into production.

The trailer and advertising made this remake seem pretty faithful. I realise it isn’t, but in terms of attracting viewers, the marketing has leaned heavily into nostalgia. It seems unlikely to me that closeness (or otherwise) to the original is the determining factor here in why the film isn’t doing well.

 

[Chi84]

The dwarfs are the only interesting characters in the original and Disney made them look weird.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Absolutely no one needs “a faithful live-action version of Snow White.”

Posters rightfully denigrate the existence of the live-action remakes and then turn around and get mad that they aren’t faithful enough. Almost like the point is just to get mad.

Not me. I think the live-action remakes are perfectly fine (and a smart business decision) ... as long as they adhere as closely as possible to the originals.