donaldtoo
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I’ve seen that bit before, but it’s been a while, and it had me in tears, yet again…!!!!!
Thanks for posting it…!!!
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I’ve seen that bit before, but it’s been a while, and it had me in tears, yet again…!!!!!
Thanks for posting it…!!!
WorldExplorer
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I take seats on the edge so I don't need to walk over people if I need to use the bathroom.
LittleBuford
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For those voicing suspicion about the occupied seats being on the sides, perhaps this comparison will make you think again:
LittleBuford
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I always aim for the middle, but I also recognise that my approach is not universal.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Yes, that dud was his, as were all the Marvel hits prior to 2019 when he was forced out, there’s been a distinct shift at Marvel since 2019 and it hasn’t worked out very well for them at the box office, people hated the guy but the reality is they need an old grump in the room to point out “that’s not going to work with half the world” or they risk half the world not showing up.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I take seats at the edge also, but mainly because I don’t like people. The aisle seat guarantees me at least one free side and if the theaters empty it’s no big deal to move towards the center.
Stripes
Premium Member
Perlmutter lost his control over Marvel Studios in 2015, not 2019. He merely retained control of Marvel’s TV and media division until 2019.
Casper Gutman
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Perlmutter was a small, odious, vindictive person who was rightfully sidelined and ignored by the people building the MCU - that’s why he was so angry at Feige. He had next to nothing to do with the successful run of films.
The MCU hit rougher waters when Feige stepped back from day-to-day involvement.
WorldExplorer
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In other box office drama news, did you know there's a whole world of Looney Tunes drama going on?
Over at Warner Brothers, which is regularly ticking off the fans, there's a guy named David Zaslav, who has managed to gain a reputation as not just a generally incompetent person, but also a Looney Tunes hater (a sad, bizarre title to have).
He's blamed for shelving Coyote vs. ACME (and frankly I think it looked like crap, so I can't blame him) and trying to can the made-for-TV movie The Day the Earth Blew Up. The latter was bought by a small distributor and managed to go to theaters, but they don't have a big marketing budget, so it's made like six million in three weekends. It cost fifteen million to make and no one knows how much it was bought for, so people are still rooting for it.
Now, the funny part is that Zaslav personally greenlit a project called Alto Knights, which has apparently been written and floating around for a long time but no one wanted to actually make it (it's a ganster movie and those aren't exactly popular at the moment).
The punchline is that Alto Knights is failing miserably to the point where it's set to make LESS than The Day the Earth Blew Up.
If there's a lesson to be learned here it's that, if you love something old, both Disney AND Warner Brothers are likely to screw it up. Hope Paramount grabs it, I guess.
(The internet talked me into seeing TDtEBU and now I'm invested.)
Over at Warner Brothers, which is regularly ticking off the fans, there's a guy named David Zaslav, who has managed to gain a reputation as not just a generally incompetent person, but also a Looney Tunes hater (a sad, bizarre title to have).
He's blamed for shelving Coyote vs. ACME (and frankly I think it looked like crap, so I can't blame him) and trying to can the made-for-TV movie The Day the Earth Blew Up. The latter was bought by a small distributor and managed to go to theaters, but they don't have a big marketing budget, so it's made like six million in three weekends. It cost fifteen million to make and no one knows how much it was bought for, so people are still rooting for it.
Now, the funny part is that Zaslav personally greenlit a project called Alto Knights, which has apparently been written and floating around for a long time but no one wanted to actually make it (it's a ganster movie and those aren't exactly popular at the moment).
The punchline is that Alto Knights is failing miserably to the point where it's set to make LESS than The Day the Earth Blew Up.
If there's a lesson to be learned here it's that, if you love something old, both Disney AND Warner Brothers are likely to screw it up. Hope Paramount grabs it, I guess.
(The internet talked me into seeing TDtEBU and now I'm invested.)
LittleBuford
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That wasn’t the point I was making, but yes, neither has done at all well.This movie bombed even worse than Snow White.
What a shame.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Feige became chief creative officer of Marvel in 2019, on top of already being President of Marvel, he has complete control of it. He’s still the producer for all the Marvel movies, including all those releasing this year.
How has he stepped back?
Yeah I missed the last few pages but I think maybe there was some back and forth about Disney buying seats?
That is ridiculous and is not happening.
Snow White will make all its money when Disney buys it from itself to put on D+.
LittleBuford
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Indeed—based on the notion that any seats along the sides couldn’t possibly be for paying customers.
I agree it’s ridiculous and not happening (and two of our fellow forumites have confirmed that some people actually want such seats).
MagicMouseFan
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‘Snow White’ Bashful With $87.3M Global Bow; ‘Captain America: Brave New World’ Crosses $400M WW – International Box Office
‘Snow White’ Bashful With $87.3M Global Bow; ‘Captain America: Brave New World’ Crosses $400M WW – International Box Office
Disney’s live-action take on Snow White has come in with a global launch of $87.3M, including $44.3M from international box office markets
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I don’t think this can be fixed. The rot is so deep what are they going to do?
Even if someone replaces Iger and tries to set a new tone, they will just protest, have walkouts etc.
BrianLo
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It’s shocking to me how easily Perlmutter was able to rewrite his narrative. I’m not specifically trying to target you, just using it as a jumping off point.
I have almost no nice things to say about him and he had a really awful record in his position. He was controlling, arrogant and toxic amongst several other adjectives. Including just being generally a bad steward of the brand.
Based on how quickly people get retroactively sainted, I’m sure we’ll have individuals calling for Paul Pressler for CEO soon enough.
To the many posters who dislike Iger, be afraid of people like Perlmutter turning around their narrative in 5 years. Iger will be walking on water with the fandom shortly after he leaves.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I’m not sainting him, at most I’m giving giving him some credit for being the grumpy old man shaking his stick at the kids and telling them to get off the lawn, those people are never popular but they do provide a benefit, they keep the lawn from being trampled to death by arguing with the people who’s good intentions are “just let the kids have fun”.
I don’t think anyone would sanctify Perlmutter, his vitriol is out there for everyone to see, I’m just pointing out I think he served a purpose as a dissenting voice.
BrianLo
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I think the point is valid that Kevin has been sidelined by a larger role and request for too much output. But Perlmutter was sidelined for the majority of peak Marvel. He was stripped of really any power of the theatrical MCU during Black Panther pre-production. 2015/2016, not 2019.
Phase 3 of the MCU is generally seen as the peak. When given his own independent TV portfolio at the time it was also the worst part of the MCU.
Phase 1/2 seemed to happen partially in spite of his presence, not because of it.
Disney Rocks
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Is it a hot take to say that the Snow White movie is going to lose money primarily because the original movie isn't that relevant to modern audiences? I mean, I know we nerds love it, but I imagine it's pretty low on the ladder of little kids' favorite princess movies.
Of the pre-Renaissance remakes, Alice is the only one that turned a billion, and it's truly bizarre that Disney gave this one so huge a budget as if it was going to join that club. In terms of budgeting and expectations, they should have used the 2015 Cinderella as a benchmark. And then factored in the diminishing returns of people having remake fatigue.
And I think people underestimate the effect that star power has on box office. People wanted to see Angelina Jolie as Maleficent, Will Smith as the Genie, Emma Watson as Belle, Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter (in 2010 anyways). Were they expecting the same fervor for Wonder Woman as the Evil Queen?
I know the culture war aspect will be mentioned often in the obituary for this thing, but that feels like only a piece of the puzzle.
Of the pre-Renaissance remakes, Alice is the only one that turned a billion, and it's truly bizarre that Disney gave this one so huge a budget as if it was going to join that club. In terms of budgeting and expectations, they should have used the 2015 Cinderella as a benchmark. And then factored in the diminishing returns of people having remake fatigue.
And I think people underestimate the effect that star power has on box office. People wanted to see Angelina Jolie as Maleficent, Will Smith as the Genie, Emma Watson as Belle, Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter (in 2010 anyways). Were they expecting the same fervor for Wonder Woman as the Evil Queen?
I know the culture war aspect will be mentioned often in the obituary for this thing, but that feels like only a piece of the puzzle.