Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Disstevefan1]

So what was the agenda?

No agenda, Disney is just releasing movies that cost them more money to make and market than they bring in at the box office, that’s all.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I think you can figure it out by searching online and what the CEO stated during a couple of interviews.

Why not tell us? You seem to have a pretty firm idea. What is the agenda of The Marvels, Little Mermaid, Elemental, Wish, Haunted Mansion…

 

[BuddyThomas]

I agree with you BUT the marketing, interviews with the actors (including directors) and headlines discuss the agenda. TLM and the Marvels are two movies that no one wanted. People are done with remakes and the Marvels were three characters either people did not know or again did not want. They are D level characters.

I’m someone. I wanted The Little Mermaid. So did millions of others. Thus, you just spread fake news, New Member, and you just spread an “agenda”.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Why not tell us? You seem to have a pretty firm idea. What is the agenda of The Marvels, Little Mermaid, Elemental, Wish, Haunted Mansion…

The eternal question. They cry and whine and complain about the mysterious Disney agenda and yet they are too chicken to post what it supposedly is.

 

[jrice]

I’m someone. I wanted The Little Mermaid. So did millions of others. Thus, you just spread fake news, New Member, and you just spread an “agenda”.

You wanted another remake? Why? It lost money and people were upset what Disney did to an iconic movie. Wouldn’t you want a new mermaid story?
Fake news? People are voting with their wallets and even Disney has acknowledged that their story telling has been sub-standard.

 

[jrice]

The eternal question. They cry and whine and complain about the mysterious Disney agenda and yet they are too chicken to post what it supposedly is.

Not true at all. It is well covered why these movies are failing. I do not need to rehash it. Again, I want Disney to be successful but you have to admit they lost their way.

 

[BuddyThomas]

You wanted another remake? Why? It lost money and people were upset what Disney did to an iconic movie. Wouldn’t you want a new mermaid story?
Fake news? People are voting with their wallets and even Disney has acknowledged that their story telling has been sub-standard.

Whether you like it or not, the movie was excellent and it was not the flop that you and your brethren claim.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Not true at all. It is well covered why these movies are failing. I do not need to rehash it. Again, I want Disney to be successful but you have to admit they lost their way.

You brought it up - so say what you mean.

 

[jrice]

Whether you like it or not, the movie was excellent and it was not the flop that you and your brethren claim.

You mean losing money is not considered a flop? What business do you run where make things to lose money? You wouldn’t.

 

[J4546]

i too wish that someone who uses "their agenda" phrasing would explain what "their agenda" is.

Seems like so much of this started when they made a fictional cartoon white mermaid into a fictional cgi black one

 

[jrice]

You brought it up - so say what you mean.

Disney is an entertainment company. It is currently not entertaining the MAJORITY of it audience. Disney is trying to weave in a typical film festival type movie into mainstream media. Not working.

Many parents are not ready to discuss LGBTQ+ with their children or have Disney tell us how to think. This is the risk they are taking and it is not resonating with the audience. Disney can make these movies for a much smaller audience or go to straight to Disney+. Again, this is why they are losing the family audience because they no longer trust Disney.

Again, Disney has acknowledged this “misalignment” with the public and consumer preference which affects demand and profitability. There is not enough of a demographic to risk these movies for the majority.

 

[BuddyThomas]

You mean losing money is not considered a flop? What business do you run where make things to lose money? You wouldn’t.

Get your facts straight. $569 million at the box office and 5th highest grossing film of the year is not a flop.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Disney is an entertainment company. It is currently not entertaining the MAJORITY of it audience. Disney is trying to weave in a typical film festival type movie into mainstream media. Not working.

Many parents are not ready to discuss LGBTQ+ with their children or have Disney tell us how to think. This is the risk they are taking and it is not resonating with the audience. Disney can make these movies for a much smaller audience or go to straight to Disney+. Again, this is why they are losing the family audience because they no longer trust Disney.

Again, Disney has acknowledged this “misalignment” with the public and consumer preference which affects demand and profitability. There is not enough of a demographic to risk these movies for the majority.

And there we have it, folks.

 

[LittleBuford]

You mean losing money is not considered a flop? What business do you run where make things to lose money? You wouldn’t.

I would call it a disappointment rather than a flop. I struggle to see how the latter term can be applied to the seventh highest-grossing film globally (and fifth domestically) of the year.

If losing money is the only criterion that matters, then one would have to consider Cleopatra a flop, even though it was the highest-grossing film of 1963 and won four Oscars.

 

[J4546]

Disney is an entertainment company. It is currently not entertaining the MAJORITY of it audience. Disney is trying to weave in a typical film festival type movie into mainstream media. Not working.

Many parents are not ready to discuss LGBTQ+ with their children or have Disney tell us how to think. This is the risk they are taking and it is not resonating with the audience. Disney can make these movies for a much smaller audience or go to straight to Disney+. Again, this is why they are losing the family audience because they no longer trust Disney.

Again, Disney has acknowledged this “misalignment” with the public and consumer preference which affects demand and profitability. There is not enough of a demographic to risk these movies for the majority.

ahhh, that "agenda", yes how dare they have gay people in their movies

 

[LittleBuford]

Many parents are not ready to discuss LGBTQ+ with their children or have Disney tell us how to think.

Disney is not alone in representing queer people. Indeed, trying to shield one’s children from knowledge of our existence will soon become as impossible as shielding them from knowledge of interracial relationships. Films and TV shows reflect the world we live in; like it or not, that world includes people who aren’t straight.

 

[LSLS]

I said it earlier, but I'll say again to me, a flop is a movie that doesn't make a profit, and underperforms expectations. To me, TLM would fall into that. Now, there are degrees of flops, but those are the criteria I would use personally.

 

[J4546]

did tlm not make profit? I thought it did?

 

[LSLS]

Disney is an entertainment company. It is currently not entertaining the MAJORITY of it audience. Disney is trying to weave in a typical film festival type movie into mainstream media. Not working.

Many parents are not ready to discuss LGBTQ+ with their children or have Disney tell us how to think. This is the risk they are taking and it is not resonating with the audience. Disney can make these movies for a much smaller audience or go to straight to Disney+. Again, this is why they are losing the family audience because they no longer trust Disney.

Again, Disney has acknowledged this “misalignment” with the public and consumer preference which affects demand and profitability. There is not enough of a demographic to risk these movies for the majority.

So, where does that fit into almost all of the Disney shows? And why has there not been backlash for the other studios doing the same thing if that's truly an issue?

 

[imagineer97]

Disney is an entertainment company. It is currently not entertaining the MAJORITY of it audience. Disney is trying to weave in a typical film festival type movie into mainstream media. Not working.

Many parents are not ready to discuss LGBTQ+ with their children or have Disney tell us how to think. This is the risk they are taking and it is not resonating with the audience. Disney can make these movies for a much smaller audience or go to straight to Disney+. Again, this is why they are losing the family audience because they no longer trust Disney.

Again, Disney has acknowledged this “misalignment” with the public and consumer preference which affects demand and profitability. There is not enough of a demographic to risk these movies for the majority.

There is no denying that their emphasis on messaging over storytelling has negatively affected their business.

So, where does that fit into almost all of the Disney shows? And why has there not been backlash for the other studios doing the same thing if that's truly an issue?

It's a lot more expensive to produce a feature released in theaters than a TV show. Disney has a reputation for being accessible for everyone...now there is a demographic that is rejecting it, for the reasons jrice and several others have stated.