Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[celluloid]

We will see what happens…. I do expect How To Train Your Dragon to do well….Megan and 28 Years Later I am less sure…. Plus I am not sure if the former is of the horror genre…. I think Megan’s trailers has felt more action oriented ala Terminator 2

Definitely the direction it went. Still leans into horror first with the campy kills and blood focus that T2 did not have.

Who knows how 28 and Megan will do on their own. Such a gap for the 28 installment and a budget close to Balerina.

And I don't know how great any of them will do, but it will bump Balerina way out of the top three or further, which was the competition point discussed.

 

[DKampy]

Definitely the direction it went. Still leans into horror first with the campy kills and blood focus that T2 did not have.

Not to sure about being blood focused…. Megan 2.0 is rated pg-13

 

[celluloid]

Not to sure about being blood focused…. Megan 2.0 is rated pg-13

I shouodnuabe hyphenated there instead of writing it thst way. A focus is It has bloody kills and camp. Director itself said at it is still horror at its core.
..."strong violent, bloody images..."

The first one's theatrical version was also PG13.

 

[DKampy]

I shouodnuabe hyphenated there instead of writing it thst way. A focus is It has bloody kills and camp. Director itself said at it is still horror at its core.
..."strong violent, bloody images..."

The first one's theatrical version was also PG13.

Yes… I know… nothing wrong with PG-13 horror… A Quiet Place is one of my favorite movies this century…. I just don’t think bloody images even with the first Megan… I still think trailer looks more action to me… and T2 had bloody images and kills as well… probably more so as it was rated R

 

[celluloid]

Yes… I know… nothing wrong with PG-13 horror… A Quiet Place is one of my favorite movies this century…. I just don’t think bloody images even with the first Megan… I still think trailer looks more action to me… and T2 had bloody images and kills as well… probably more so as it was rated R

T2 was rated R for strong violence with strong language strong language. It is not a bloody film.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I don’t know if Ballerina is proof that action movie fatigue is there….

No.

 

[Disney Irish]

Adjusted ticket sales shows how many people felt it worth it to go…despite “all in” costs which you can compartmentalize

Does it though?

Because I don't think costs can be discounted here. Because as ticket prices have rose many are deciding to wait to see it at home due to it now costing way over $100 for a family of 4 to go to the movies. Whereas in years past, like when the MCU first started, one could go to a movie for half that on average. Basically unless its an event film you're not going to get the masses out. So forget the average run of the mill mid-tier MCU movie. And its because ticket sales have continued to plummet year-after-year for the past 2 decades, something that many of us have talked about before, and something I continue to bring up because I feel its important in these conversations.

I mean just look at some of our fellow posters here, many have commented that they will just wait to watch "insert the name of the latest movie here" at home. And the number one reason given, "its costs too much to go to the movies".

As long as movie tickets have roughly followed inflation?

Ticket prices have generally outpaced inflation, especially now for premium seats. For example someone spending $10 on a movie ticket in 2008 when RDJ said "I am Iron Man" should be paying ~$14.50 today, but most are paying over $20 for even non-premium seats.

So unless someone is going to a matinee show solo on a Tuesday and not buying any snacks, you're probably not getting anywhere close to what they paid in 2008.


So no just doing an inflation adjusted look doesn't actually tell you anything about how people felt about anything, not when less people go to the movies today than they did even 5 years ago let alone 10 years ago.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Does it though?

Because I don't think costs can be discounted here. Because as ticket prices have rose many are deciding to wait to see it at home due to it now costing way over $100 for a family of 4 to go to the movies. Whereas in years past, like when the MCU first started, one could go to a movie for half that on average. Basically unless its an event film you're not going to get the masses out. So forget the average run of the mill mid-tier MCU movie. And its because ticket sales have continued to plummet year-after-year for the past 2 decades, something that many of us have talked about before, and something I continue to bring up because I feel its important in these conversations.

I mean just look at some of our fellow posters here, many have commented that they will just wait to watch "insert the name of the latest movie here" at home. And the number one reason given, "its costs too much to go to the movies".


Ticket prices have generally outpaced inflation, especially now for premium seats. For example someone spending $10 on a movie ticket in 2008 when RDJ said "I am Iron Man" should be paying ~$14.50 today, but most are paying over $20 for even non-premium seats.

So unless someone is going to a matinee show solo on a Tuesday and not buying any snacks, you're probably not getting anywhere close to what they paid in 2008.


So no just doing an inflation adjusted look doesn't actually tell you anything about how people felt about anything, not when less people go to the movies today than they did even 5 years ago let alone 10 years ago.

In short, going to the movies has historically been a nominal fee compared to income - affordable to teens with minimal allowance or p/t job. Now it’s a significant expense, even before concessions. “Dinner and a movie” is more likely dinner OR a movie - or a lesser meal during the movie.

 

[Nevermore525]

Would usually catch movies on opening weekends, now I actively go on Tuesday’s and all summer with the fam that’s the plan for anything they want to see.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Does it though?

Because I don't think costs can be discounted here. Because as ticket prices have rose many are deciding to wait to see it at home due to it now costing way over $100 for a family of 4 to go to the movies. Whereas in years past, like when the MCU first started, one could go to a movie for half that on average. Basically unless its an event film you're not going to get the masses out. So forget the average run of the mill mid-tier MCU movie. And its because ticket sales have continued to plummet year-after-year for the past 2 decades, something that many of us have talked about before, and something I continue to bring up because I feel its important in these conversations.

I mean just look at some of our fellow posters here, many have commented that they will just wait to watch "insert the name of the latest movie here" at home. And the number one reason given, "its costs too much to go to the movies".


Ticket prices have generally outpaced inflation, especially now for premium seats. For example someone spending $10 on a movie ticket in 2008 when RDJ said "I am Iron Man" should be paying ~$14.50 today, but most are paying over $20 for even non-premium seats.

So unless someone is going to a matinee show solo on a Tuesday and not buying any snacks, you're probably not getting anywhere close to what they paid in 2008.


So no just doing an inflation adjusted look doesn't actually tell you anything about how people felt about anything, not when less people go to the movies today than they did even 5 years ago let alone 10 years ago.

You seem to be stuck on the “less people are going to the movies now…”

That means they’re all on a path to failing…If we’re honest

Streaming you say?
Tony Gilroy just has an interesting comment on that…

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In short, going to the movies has historically been a nominal fee compared to income - affordable to teens with minimal allowance or p/t job. Now it’s a significant expense, even before concessions. “Dinner and a movie” is more likely dinner OR a movie - or a lesser meal during the movie.

$20 is a “significant expense” now?

…the 1980’s called and wants its $20 back

 

[Disney Irish]

You seem to be stuck on the “less people are going to the movies now…”

That means they’re all on a path to failing…If we’re honest

Streaming you say?
Tony Gilroy just has an interesting comment on that…

Stuck on it? No, but I can recognize what a fall in consumers means to the overall business. And how if you have millions less consumers going to a movie today than in decades past that doesn’t tend to properly equate out when trying to do comparisons to show “how people felt” as you were.

So if Gilroy is right, and not just giving an off the cuff comment, then I guess we write the obit now on not only streaming but all of Hollywood because it’s all gonna crumble huh. Better get used to watching the latest kid doing dumb stuff YouTube vids for entertainment because the era of movies is over I guess.

 

[Disney Irish]

$20 is a “significant expense” now?

…the 1980’s called and wants its $20 back

$20 in the 80s had more spending power than it does today. And you should know that, you’re a smart guy. So don’t play like you aren’t aware of the differences in how things cost different today and are more expensive than 40 years ago.

 

[DKampy]

In short, going to the movies has historically been a nominal fee compared to income - affordable to teens with minimal allowance or p/t job. Now it’s a significant expense, even before concessions. “Dinner and a movie” is more likely dinner OR a movie - or a lesser meal during the movie.

For my wife and I going to the movies is the cheapest form of entertainment I can think of… But we usually go for Sunday Matinees and don’t buy concessions…. We will sneak in bottle water/soda… it is just over $22.00 for the two of us

I just joined the movie club at our local chain for 9.99 a month…. Where any movie you purchase is 9.99 including at night…. Plus in reality it cost nothing as you also get one one complimentary movie ticket a month

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

$20 in the 80s had more spending power than it does today. And you should know that, you’re a smart guy. So don’t play like you aren’t aware of the differences in how things cost different today and are more expensive than 40 years ago.

That’s exactly what I’m saying

 

[DKampy]

That’s exactly what I’m saying

I believe Irish does not mean just movie Tickets have increased…. Everything has.., I remember a time in the 80’s when you get a concert ticket for a big act in the 80’s for near $20.00…. These days the cheapest you will get that same ticket will be closer to $200

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I believe Irish does not mean just movie Tickets have increased…. Everything has.., I remember a time in the 80’s when you get a concert ticket for a big act in the 80’s for near $20.00…. These days the cheapest you will get that same ticket will be closer to $200

Of course

Things are more expensive across the board no question

My point is the difference between a $14 ticket and a $20 is easier to swallow than a $75 concert ticket vs a $200 ticket.

Or a $175 park ticket vs a $80 ticket.

It’s the rate of churn and the price. Not just the ridiculous pricing gone to hell

 

[networkpro]

IMHO it only matters for the Disney company if a "production" (terminology is kind of fluid these days) results in a net profit and associated increase in good will. A "critically acclaimed" "production" that doesn't fit those criteria means little outside the art film/critic community (which doesn't value the business side of the equation as a key factor as much as the bean counters)

 

[Hawkeye_2018]

Economy still isn't great. And really nothing to indicate it will get better anytime soon. I already spend enough money on streaming content. I doubt I get back into a theater this year. It's at least $50 in just ticket prices to take the family. Have to sit through 30 minutes of ads and trailers in a sub par theater. And, as is the case most often, the movie turns out to just be kinda average.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Economy still isn't great. And really nothing to indicate it will get better anytime soon. I already spend enough money on streaming content. I doubt I get back into a theater this year. It's at least $50 in just ticket prices to take the family. Have to sit through 30 minutes of ads and trailers in a sub par theater. And, as is the case most often, the movie turns out to just be kinda average.

The lure would be much greater if the studios didn’t churn out awful predictable crap in volume…

You know who’s really good at that?