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[Disney Irish]

Is Unilad a reliable source? Never heard of them

Unfortunately its a product of our time.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

"The original cartoon came out in 1937, and very evidently so. There's a big focus on her love story with a guy who literally stalks her. Weird! Weird!"

That's the quote that bothers people.

But where is the lie?

 

[easyrowrdw]

If people want to be upset and outraged, go ahead, but at least do it based on something real not some made up manufactured clickbait title of an article where they didn't even listen to the actual quote which is right in the article. The poster claimed someone said the original was "creepy", and when pressed on who actually said it was "creepy" produced that article as evidence of that being said, and no where in anything she said was the word "creepy" ever uttered. So its clear that poster is only going based on a clickbait article and not what was actually said, ie something made up, manufactured, and untrue.

It is. The article and poster misquoted her as saying it was creepy. She didn't. But she said, "The original cartoon came out in 1937, and very evidently so. There's a big focus on her love story with a guy who literally stalks her. Weird! Weird!" I agree with correcting the article and poster for misquoting her. But that doesn't negate what she actually said. And what she actually said is something that upset people.

 

[Agent H]

I didn't hear her use the words creepy either, but I don't think her statements were taken out of context. I found the original interview in full and don't see anything that changes the meaning of what she said.

"The original cartoon came out in 1937, and very evidently so. There's a big focus on her love story with a guy who literally stalks her. Weird! Weird!"

That's the quote that bothers people. I don't think her statements are an accurate description of the original movie so I can understand why someone who loves the movie would be upset by it. I can't know anyone's motives though.

There’s something in our brains that motivates us to defend what we love to a t. that motivation can often blind us. Let’s use a comparison. Someone might say phineas and ferb a show I love doesn’t exactly have the best animation especially in the earlier seasons. My first thought is to prove that statement wrong. But if I take a step back for a minute I can kinda see it. It doesn’t mean I like the show any less it just means it’s not flawless. My point is take a step back for a moment. See how you feel about it then. You might come to a new conclusion. Snow White is a good movie and an artistic masterpiece but the romantic arc isn’t the best ever written. And that’s ok. It was fine for the time but if we’re going to remake it now maybe we should change that. try to improve it.there’s nothing wrong with that is there?

 

[Disney Irish]

It is. The article and poster misquoted her as saying it was creepy. She didn't. But she said, "The original cartoon came out in 1937, and very evidently so. There's a big focus on her love story with a guy who literally stalks her. Weird! Weird!" I agree with correcting the article and poster for misquoting her. But that doesn't negate what she actually said. And what she actually said is something that upset people.

But it isn't real. Again, if people want to be upset and outraged go ahead and I have never stated otherwise, all I've said was to do it for something real, which in this case in this thread was not real and based on something made up.

So yes some people are upset because she said "weird", and I'm ok with that, be upset even if I don't agree with you but at least those people are upset for something real.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Is Unilad a reliable source? Never heard of them

I've never heard of the sources, but this is the full video of her interview with Extra. She does not say creepy.

But where is the lie?

I don't think the love story is a big focus of the movie. This feels almost inarguable. As Chi84 noted above, the Prince is barely in the movie.

I don't think the Prince stalks her, not in the common (creepy) meaning of the phrase. I do not think it's weird. These are more a matter of opinion of course.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I've never heard of the sources, but this is the full video of her interview with Extra. She does not say creepy.

I don't think the love story is a big focus of the movie. This feels almost inarguable. As Chi84 noted above, the Prince is barely in the movie.

I don't think the Prince stalks her, not in the common (creepy) meaning of the phrase. I do not think it's weird. These are more a matter of opinion of course.

Then why are people disproportionately upset about it?

He hears her singing. He startled her. She literally runs away and closes the door behind her.

If I’m using the word casually, “stalking” is not entirely inappropriate.

He then sings to her, apparently winning her over to the point she kisses a dove and it flies down to land on his hand. Fine. This is a children’s movie level of “love.” In the 1930’s.

That is the extent of their relationship.

Then everyone thinks she’s dead and puts her in a glass coffin, opens it after apparently seasons pass, and this guy comes out of nowhere and kisses her apparently dead body.

Not allowed to call that weird? A 20-year-old in the 2020s is so wrong for calling that weird?

And they live happily ever after. Awesome. Luke raped Laura on General Hospital and they got married. Weird stuff happens.

Obviously, it makes more sense if you are remaking that movie today, especially as a live action film, that you flesh that out more and make adjustments. And if they want to adjust the ending, that is their prerogative as the creatives.

But to crucify this girl over that comment is wholly unfair, and manufactured as another way to smear her rather than just saying she’s not white.

 

[easyrowrdw]

There’s something in our brains that motivates us to defend what we love to a t. that motivation can often blind us. Let’s use a comparison. Someone might say phineas and ferb a show I love doesn’t exactly have the best animation especially in the earlier seasons. My first thought is to prove that statement wrong. But if I take a step back for a minute I can kinda see it. It doesn’t mean I like the show any less it just means it’s not flawless. My point is take a step back for a moment. See how you feel about it then. You might come to a new conclusion. Snow White is a good movie and an artistic masterpiece but lthe romantic arc isn’t the best ever written. And that’s ok. It was fine for the time but if we’re going to remake it now maybe we should change that. try to improve it.there’s nothing wrong with that is there?

I gotta be honest, I don't understand what you're doing here. This sounds really patronizing. I'm sure that's not how you meant it, but come on. I don't need to be told how to watch and evaluate movies. I'm not telling anyone else how to feel. All I did was provide the full quote and interview and say that I understood why it upset people.

 

[Agent H]

I gotta be honest, I don't understand what you're doing here. This sounds really patronizing. I'm sure that's not how you meant it, but come on. I don't need to be told how to watch and evaluate movies. I'm not telling anyone else how to feel. All I did was provide the full quote and interview and say that I understood why it upset people.

I did not intend it to come off as patronizing. I’m sorry I was purposely trying to do the opposite and be as respectful as possible. Have a magical evening.

 

[Disney Irish]

I've never heard of the sources, but this is the full video of her interview with Extra. She does not say creepy.

I don't think the love story is a big focus of the movie. This feels almost inarguable. As Chi84 noted above, the Prince is barely in the movie.

I don't think the Prince stalks her, not in the common (creepy) meaning of the phrase. I do not think it's weird. These are more a matter of opinion of course.

If you look at it through modern sensibilities though, a Prince showing up in the woods out of nowhere and instead of introducing himself just starts professing his love, yeah that comes across stalkerish and weird in 2022 (when the interview was done after recent events of time) and even today 3 years later. Its not even a hot take, its something that I've seen discussed many times in many circles even before this quote or even this remake was a thing.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Then why are people disproportionately upset about it?

He hears her singing. He startled her. She literally runs away and closes the door behind her.

If I’m using the word casually, “stalking” is not entirely inappropriate.

He then sings to her, apparently winning her over to the point she kisses a dove and it flies down to land on his hand. Fine. This is a children’s movie level of “love.” In the 1930’s.

That is the extent of their relationship.

Then everyone thinks she’s dead and puts her in a glass coffin, opens it after apparently seasons pass, and this guy comes out of nowhere and kisses her apparently dead body.

Not allowed to call that weird? A 20-year-old in the 2020s is so wrong for calling that weird?

And they live happily ever after. Awesome. Luke raped Laura on General Hospital and they got married. Weird stuff happens.

Obviously, it makes more sense if you are remaking that movie today, especially as a live action film, that you flesh that out more and make adjustments. And if they want to adjust the ending, that is their prerogative as the creatives.

But to crucify this girl over that comment is wholly unfair, and manufactured as another way to smear her rather than just saying she’s not white.

People's level of care and concern for a topic is personal. But my guess is that they love the movie and the person who will now be depicting the character doesn't seem to love it like they do.

Some years ago the NY Jets were actually good and made the conference championship. They lost. Their quarterback Mark Sanchez was seen out a club or bar or something that night. Fans got mad. They thought he should at home sulking, that he should feel the same way they did. But he didn't. That's not to say his feelings were wrong. He actually played in the game so he probably has more of a claim to his feelings than a fan. But many of those fans have loved the team their whole lives. They felt betrayed that the guy they rooted for and identified with didn't (in their opinion) care about the game as much as they did.

Generally speaking, I think fans of the movie don't see a huge problem with the love story. They don't see the Prince as a stalker. And they wouldn't describe it as weird. But the woman cast to star in the movie does. They feel betrayed because the woman chosen to play Snow White, who they will identify with, doesn't (in their opinion) care about the movie as much as they do.

 

[easyrowrdw]

I did not intend it to come off as patronizing I’m sorry I was purposely trying to do the opposite and be as respectful as possible. Have a magical evening.

Thank you. I'm sorry I misread your message.

 

[LittleBuford]

I do think her words amount to calling the romance in the original film creepy; it’s not an inaccurate paraphrase of her meaning. Either way, the reaction has been entirely disproportionate, and I say that as someone who loves the original film. Many things that were once considered OK have aged badly. Even as recent a show as Glee can come across as creepy today (the teacher’s relationship with the students resonates really strangely now).

So yes, she did characterise an aspect of the original film as creepy, but that she did so is no big deal.

 

[Agent H]

Thank you. I'm sorry I misread your message.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I gotta be honest, I don't understand what you're doing here. This sounds really patronizing. I'm sure that's not how you meant it, but come on. I don't need to be told how to watch and evaluate movies. I'm not telling anyone else how to feel. All I did was provide the full quote and interview and say that I understood why it upset people.

I did not intend it to come off as patronizing. I’m sorry I was purposely trying to do the opposite and be as respectful as possible. Have a magical evening.

I thought it was one of your best posts, Agent H.

Some people will take things the wrong way no matter what.

 

[LittleBuford]

If you look at it through modern sensibilities though, a Prince showing up in the woods out of nowhere and instead of introducing himself just starts professing his love, yeah that comes across stalkerish and weird in 2022 (when the interview was done after recent events of time) and even today 3 years later. Its not even a hot take, its something that I've seen discussed many times in many circles even before this quote or even this remake was a thing.

I mean, by that standard, Ariel too is a stalker, spying on Eric and developing a fixation on him without his knowledge. Only recently have Disney films moved away from a fairytale notion of romance in which the protagonists—often teenagers—basically fall in love at first sight. In that regard, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is consistent with a much longer tradition that continued into the ’90s.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

People's level of care and concern for a topic is personal. But my guess is that they love the movie and the person who will now be depicting the character doesn't seem to love it like they do.

Some years ago the NY Jets were actually good and made the conference championship. They lost. Their quarterback Mark Sanchez was seen out a club or bar or something that night. Fans got mad. They thought he should at home sulking, that he should feel the same way they did. But he didn't. That's not to say his feelings were wrong. He actually played in the game so he probably has more of a claim to his feelings than a fan. But many of those fans have loved the team their whole lives. They felt betrayed that the guy they rooted for and identified with didn't (in their opinion) care about the game as much as they did.

Generally speaking, I think fans of the movie don't see a huge problem with the love story. They don't see the Prince as a stalker. And they wouldn't describe it as weird. But the woman cast to star in the movie does. They feel betrayed because the woman chosen to play Snow White, who they will identify with, doesn't (in their opinion) care about the movie as much as they do.

Tell them to grow up and get over it.

 

[Agent H]

I thought it was one of your best posts, Agent H.

Some people will take things the wrong way no matter what.

I very much appreciate the sentiment. Seriously thank you but let’s be fair to @easyrowrdw

 

[Agent H]

I mean, by that standard, Ariel too is a stalker, spying on Eric and developing a fixation on him without his knowledge. Only recently have Disney films moved away from a fairytale notion of romance in which the protagonists—often teenagers—basically fall in love at first sight. In that regard, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs is consistent with a much longer tradition that continued into the ’90s.

This is a good point. At we point do we really consider something stalking? (Obviously there are something’s that are obviously stalking and wrong I’m merely curious as to where people think something starts to become stalking)

 

[LittleBuford]

This is a good point. At we point do we really consider something stalking? (Obviously there are something’s that are obviously stalking and wrong I’m merely curious as to where people think something starts to become stalking)

Fairytales have their own logic and are best enjoyed on their own terms. Stalking seems an ill-fitting way to describe the dynamic under discussion here. Still, it’s just an opinion, and nothing worth making a fuss over.