Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Agent H]

No, I don't. It's true that his words provided the agitators with a perfect vehicle, though I believe they would have found another, perhaps less effective, pretext to cast their aspersions anyway. You are right that media training would probably result in fewer incidents of this type, but I think it's the actors themselves who should decide whether to receive such training. I personally don't believe it would address the root of the problem.

Of course they would have found one they will always find something to fuel the outrage machine how many times have I seen the same video from wdw pro about how Disney has only bars opening in 2025 (which isn’t even true) and yes I checked it’s a new video every single time

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No, I don't. It's true that his words provided the agitators with a perfect vehicle, though I believe they would have found another, perhaps less effective, pretext to cast their aspersions anyway. You are right that media training would probably result in fewer incidents of this type, but I think it's the actors themselves who should decide whether to receive such training. I personally don't believe it would address the root of the problem.

…always a deep conspiracy from mom’s basement…

 

[Tony the Tigger]

The fact that both actors said approximately the same thing in interviews is proof of PR training.

There is no issue here.

 

[Agent H]

The fact that both actors said approximately the same thing in interviews is proof of PR training.

There is no issue here.

What do you mean both actors? Did I miss something ?

 

[Disney Irish]

What do you mean both actors? Did I miss something ?

Chris Evans gave the same response when asked a similar question back in 2011. Which basically confirms that Mackie has a PR team that provided training on what to say.

 

[Agent H]

Chris Evans gave the same response when asked a similar question back in 2011. Which basically confirms that Mackie has a PR team that provided training on what to say.

That’s actually pretty sweet

 

[LittleBuford]

…always a deep conspiracy from mom’s basement…

This is your framing entirely and has zero bearing on anything I said.

 

[TP2000]

Exactly, she posts one small video, expressing her sadness, and is then vilified by major news outlets, as if she is out there kicking small children and being a villain.

I think part of this story might have been lost in translation to your Canadian ears. In this country, we've had many high-profile cases of a young woman being raped/abused/tortured before being ultimately killed by a man who is an illegal immigrant recently. And yet celebs like Selena Gomez never said a word about those dead women, let alone went onto her Social Media and cried into her phone.

Add to the fact that Miss Gomez's mother is a third-generation Italian-American and her father was a first generation Mexican-American born in this country who quickly abandoned Selena and her mother and to raise her all alone, and thus Selena Gomez is a fourth-generation American of European descent which makes it all seem a bit odd that she is crying about "her people" in that video.

It was an ill-advised and nonsensical video she released of herself crying on TikTok, and her many fans rightly laid into her very quickly about it. And honestly, who works themselves up into an emotional crying frenzy and then turns on their phone to record it all? That's weird. Which is why she deleted the video within hours; her own fans/followers on TikTok turned on her en masse and she realized it wasn't getting the traction she thought it would. Oops.

Wrong video, at the wrong time. Which makes you wonder if Miss Gomez should be vetting her Social Media better through her management and representation. All of that nuance is likely lost on a Canadian viewing it from afar, I'm afraid.

To try and tie it back to Disney movies and the ongoing discussion, this whole thing with Mackie looks a lot like people overreacting. If the movie is good most people won't care or even remember. Personally, I don't think it looks great, but I hope I am wrong on that count.

I can agree with a lot of what you just said. But then I also remember in this thread a year or more ago when stuff like Strange World and Lightyear and Haunted Mansion were flopping badly, seemingly one after each other.

Several folks here were convinced that those films were the victim of a vast Internet right-wing conspiracy where critical posters on message boards like this with a few dozen regular viewers, and some YouTube vloggers and Social Media critics, were all in coordination controlling a global phenom to prevent several Billion free consumers in the free market from Singapore to Stockholm to Seattle to not go see those Disney/Pixar movies. We were all incredibly powerful, and us mean control freaks were preventing the entire globe from going to buy a ticket to Strange World!

Either we're a powerless gaggle of message board nerds, or we're infinitely powerful influencers who control the global box office. Pick one. But we can't be both.

As for me, I'm of the opinion that parents choosing to pay for a movie for their children are particularly choosy over what their children see and at what age they see it. Regardless of whether that parent is in Mexico or Massachusetts or Mongolia.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think part of this story might have been lost in translation to your Canadian ears. In this country, we've had many high-profile cases of a young woman being raped/abused/tortured before being ultimately killed by a man who is an illegal immigrant recently. And yet celebs like Selena Gomez never said a word about those dead women, let alone went onto her Social Media and cried into her phone.

Add to the fact that Miss Gomez's mother is a third-generation Italian-American and her father was a first generation Mexican-American born in this country who quickly abandoned Selena and her mother and to raise her all alone, and thus Selena Gomez is a fourth-generation American of European descent which makes it all seem a bit odd that she is crying about "her people" in that video.

It was an ill-advised and nonsensical video she released of herself crying on TikTok, and her many fans rightly laid into her very quickly about it. And honestly, who works themselves up into an emotional crying frenzy and then turns on their phone to record it all? That's weird. Which is why she deleted the video within hours; her own fans/followers on TikTok turned on her en masse and she realized it wasn't getting the traction she thought it would. Oops.

Wrong video, at the wrong time. Which makes you wonder if Miss Gomez should be vetting her Social Media better through her management and representation. All of that nuance is likely lost on a Canadian viewing it from afar, I'm afraid.

I'm sorry but this is very condescending to our neighbor to the north, like they don't understand the world we live. Its not like they live completely on the other side of the world in some backwoods town with only a single internet connection and aren't viewing the internet daily.

I'm pretty sure they are smarter and more aware of the world than you are giving them credit for. Heck no offense, but I'm fairly certain they are more tapped into social media and the goings on then you are.

I can agree with a lot of what you just said. But then I also remember in this thread a year or more ago when stuff like Strange World and Lightyear and Haunted Mansion were flopping badly, seemingly one after each other.

Several folks here were convinced that those films were the victim of a vast Internet right-wing conspiracy where critical posters on message boards like this with a few dozen regular viewers, and some YouTube vloggers and Social Media critics, were all in coordination controlling a global phenom to prevent several Billion free consumers in the free market from Singapore to Stockholm to Seattle to not go see those Disney/Pixar movies. We were all incredibly powerful, and us mean control freaks were preventing the entire globe from going to buy a ticket to Strange World!

Either we're a powerless gaggle of message board nerds, or we're infinitely powerful influencers who control the global box office. Pick one. But we can't be both.

As for me, I'm of the opinion that parents choosing to pay for a movie for their children are particularly choosy over what their children see and at what age they see it. Regardless of whether that parent is in Mexico or Massachusetts or Mongolia.

So which is it then, do people only care about the content itself or do they care about all the external things that come at them about said content? I've been told over and over and over that as long as the content is good it doesn't matter all the other external things said about the content, it'll find an audience. So is that not true? Or do people actually care about what is said about the content prior to seeing it more than people here want to admit?

 

[CinematicFusion]

So which is it then, do people only care about the content itself or do they care about all the external things that come at them about said content? I've been told over and over and over that as long as the content is good it doesn't matter all the other external things said about the content, it'll find an audience. So is that not true? Or do people actually care about what is said about the content prior to seeing it more than people here want to admit?

That’s what we’re about to find out. Captain America was tracking before the recent comments to open at $95 million (source). If it stays that way, I’d say the comments had no effect

recent Disney openings have been much stronger:

• Inside Out 2 – $154.2M

• Deadpool & Wolverine – $211.4M

• Moana 2 – $221M (5-day Thanksgiving weekend)

Even within Marvel, this is on the lower end:

• Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 – $118.4M

• Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania – $106.1M

• Thor: Love and Thunder – $144.1M

Cap is already tracking lower than most recent Marvel and Disney films. Given Disney’s strong box office run lately, they might even be lowballing expectations.

With the recent success of Disney and Marvel, plus the advantage of opening on Presidents’ Day weekend, this should at least hit or exceed $95 million.

 

[Chi84]

That’s what we’re about to find out. Captain America was tracking before the recent comments to open at $95 million (source). If it stays that way, I’d say the comments had no effect

recent Disney openings have been much stronger:

• Inside Out 2 – $154.2M

• Deadpool & Wolverine – $211.4M

• Moana 2 – $221M (5-day Thanksgiving weekend)

Even within Marvel, this is on the lower end:

• Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 – $118.4M

• Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania – $106.1M

• Thor: Love and Thunder – $144.1M

Cap is already tracking lower than most recent Marvel and Disney films. Given Disney’s strong box office run lately, they might even be lowballing expectations.

With the recent success of Disney and Marvel, plus the advantage of opening on Presidents’ Day weekend, this should at least hit or exceed $95 million.

If it does better, will it be because the comments helped it?

 

[Disstevefan1]

If it does better, will it be because the comments helped it?

Just my opinion, if it does better it will be because its a good movie and folks like it.

 

[LittleBuford]

Just my opinion, if it does better it will be because its a good movie and folks like it.

I believe that was the point @Chi84 was getting at. When a film does poorly, people here scramble to attribute its failure to sociopolitical factors (a gay storyline, the views of one of its actors, etc.). When it does well, however, we’re told that all that audiences care about is the quality of the movie, with all sociopolitical considerations swept aside. This is not a consistent or fair framing.

 

[Agent H]

I believe that was the point @Chi84 was getting at. When a film does poorly, people here scramble to attribute its failure to sociopolitical factors (a gay storyline, the views of one of its actors, etc.). When it does well, however, we’re told that all that audiences care about is the quality of the movie, with all sociopolitical considerations swept aside. This is not a consistent or fair framing.

YES when a movie flops it’s “woke” when a movie defys expectations people backpedal hard like with the Mario movie

 

[CinematicFusion]

YES when a movie flops it’s “woke” when a movie defys expectations people backpedal hard like with the Mario movie

Which movies are you referring to as a point of reference?
Which movie was a flop?
Which movie exceeded expectations?

 

[CinematicFusion]

I believe that was the point @Chi84 was getting at. When a film does poorly, people here scramble to attribute its failure to sociopolitical factors (a gay storyline, the views of one of its actors, etc.). When it does well, however, we’re told that all that audiences care about is the quality of the movie, with all sociopolitical considerations swept aside. This is not a consistent or fair framing.

Which movies are you referring to as a point of reference?
Which movie was a flop?
Which movie exceeded expectations?

 

[Chi84]

Which movies are you referring to as a point of reference?
Which movie was a flop?
Which movie exceeded expectations?

If you believe the posters here, no Disney movie ever exceeded expectations. The goalpost just keeps moving like with Mufasa.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I believe that was the point @Chi84 was getting at. When a film does poorly, people here scramble to attribute its failure to sociopolitical factors (a gay storyline, the views of one of its actors, etc.). When it does well, however, we’re told that all that audiences care about is the quality of the movie, with all sociopolitical considerations swept aside. This is not a consistent or fair framing.

The folks who scramble to attribute its failure to sociopolitical factors (a gay storyline, the views of one of its actors, etc.) are simply wrong.

Folks simply want to watch good movies, if the movie is good, it will sell tickets.

 

[Chi84]

The folks who scramble to attribute its failure to sociopolitical factors (a gay storyline, the views of one of its actors, etc.) are simply wrong.

Folks simply want to watch good movies, if the movie is good, it will sell tickets.

True. And the people who are most upset by that stuff likely were never going to see the film in the first place.

 

[Agent H]

Which movies are you referring to as a point of reference?
Which movie was a flop?
Which movie exceeded expectations?

maybe exceeding expectations wasn’t the right way to put it but my point is films like wicked and the Mario movie both of which definitely had “woke” elements are fine with them but because films like the marvels and light year either flopped or were significantly beaten by their competitors those are woke these people don’t even have the spines to stand up for their already disgusting opinions