Perhaps audience couldn’t connect with Buzz Lightyear without Tim Allen’s voice?
I believe this is what @Agent H is saying anyway—that Lightyear failed not because it was too woke (a claim repeated ad infinitum, including in this forum), but simply because it wasn't very good (a far more reasonable and self-evident explanation).
Inside Out 2 was never in question—it was always going to do well.
Agree, Lightyear because it felt inauthentic without Tim Allen.
This is an example of what's going on:
We're being told now that - for movies that succeeded or failed - they did so on their own merits. However, that's apparently not going to be true for Captain America:
@CinematicFusion So which is it, does a movie succeed or fail based on whether or not it's a good movie, or do we have to wait to see whether the comments had any effect?
I think I was clear in the post you quoted… we’re about to find out. Did I say something wrong? Either way, I’m good; I’m just curious to see how it plays out.
Honestly it doesn't matter what I think. If you didn't think this would blow up, I don't know what to tell you. Evans statement wasn't the same. The meaning was similar but subtly different in my eyes.
Like talking about how a princess needs to be saved by a man?
I'm actually surprised that hasn't become a thing.
Actually, there were articles yesterday in publications like Forbes, Deadline and Vulture that jumped in to clarify and defend what the man said (emphasis fully intended).Honestly it doesn't matter what I think. If you didn't think this would blow up, I don't know what to tell you. Evans statement wasn't the same. The meaning was similar but subtly different in my eyes.
"Ha, well, to me, I'm not trying to get too lost in the American side of it."
That doesn't imply the same thing as
"I don’t think the term ‘America’ should be one of those representations."
Evens is saying he's not getting too lost, meaning its not the only thing guiding him. Plus when that movie was released, the MCU and the actors weren't under a microscope 24/7.
What Mackie said read to a lot of people as, it shouldn't be any part of it. That's not what he ment in my eyes, but like it or not, that's how a lot of people took it. So like most of our conversations we'll have to agree to disagree.
Like talking about how a princess needs to be saved by a man?
He went on to say, “I've said before in interviews, it feels more like he should just be called Captain Good.” I honestly don’t see how that’s less “offensive” (if one is going to get offended by such things) than what Mackie said. Both were stating that the term “America” wasn’t relevant to the character’s identity.
Just go look at any of the movie threads here and you'll see the answers to your question, even though others already provided you an answer.
Here is a fuller statement from Evans that seems (to me at least) to be open to exactly the same criticisms that have been levelled at Mackie:
wegotthiscovered.com
Actually I would say that they were under more of a microscope back in 2011 due to how well the MCU started out. Also if you can't see that what Evans said is exactly the same as what Mackie said, then I don't know what to tell you. The fact that Forbes points this out should show you that its not just me that thinks this, its something that is clearly now and should be being called out as unfair targeting. And I for one am glad that the media is picking up on this and finally starting to call it out.Honestly it doesn't matter what I think. If you didn't think this would blow up, I don't know what to tell you. Evans statement wasn't the same. The meaning was similar but subtly different in my eyes.
"Ha, well, to me, I'm not trying to get too lost in the American side of it."
That doesn't imply the same thing as
"I don’t think the term ‘America’ should be one of those representations."
Evens is saying he's not getting too lost, meaning its not the only thing guiding him. Plus when that movie was released, the MCU and the actors weren't under a microscope 24/7.
What Mackie said read to a lot of people as, it shouldn't be any part of it. That's not what he ment in my eyes, but like it or not, that's how a lot of people took it. So like most of our conversations we'll have to agree to disagree.
Like talking about how a princess needs to be saved by a man?
Thanks Irish
Can you imagine the uproar if Mackie had said "we can't change the fact that he was created in America?" You need to give up lol.
language can shape perceptions.Here is a fuller statement from Evans that seems (to me at least) to be open to exactly the same criticisms that have been levelled at Mackie:
These are the political questions that I’m going to have to field, but the movie isn’t trying to be a flag waving film. It’s the way that the character was created, we can’t change the fact that he was created in America. There was no confusion in the 40s as to who the evil power was. We can all agree that Nazis are bad. Obviously at this time there will be varying political opinions but that’s the way it’s going to go. We’re not trying to say that this movie is pro-America, this is about a man who stands up for the thing in his heart that is good. It’s not about his allegiance to a certain country, it’s about his allegiance to values and character. This film could be called Captain Good, he just happens to be from America.
Roundtable Interview With Chris Evans On Captain America: The First Avenger
With Captain America: The First Avenger hitting theatres this weekend, we decided to sit down with star Chris Evans and chat with him about the film. The actor talked to us about not only Captain America: The First Avenger, but also his upcoming film The Avengers. We discuss his fear of...
Yes, of course. But I don't find Evans's framing more delicate than Mackie's. Indeed, had Mackie uttered exactly the same words as Evans the other day, I believe he'd still be mired in the current controversy.
Yeah, not at all the same. And if you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.