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TP2000

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And we'd have words outside on what is appropriate behavior for an adult to be telling another adult what they can and can't do with their kids.

We'll have to agree to disagree on what is appropriate in our society of high standards and moral norms.

If you ever have kids, take your 6 year old son to a gory and bloody and sexual R Rated movie and see how that works out for you by the time he's 14. Good luck! :)
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
We'll have to agree to disagree on what is appropriate in our society of high standards and moral norms.

If you ever have kids, take your 6 year old son to a gory and bloody R Rated movie and see how that works out for you by the time he's 14. Good luck! :)
I don't have to wait to see how it works, I've see it personally from all of my family members for multiple generations. None of our parents hid us away from blood and gory R rated movies, and we all grew up well adjusted members of society.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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There are even websites to help parents decide for themselves if itheir kids could handle any specific R rated movie… but like you said… it really is up to the parents of said child

An important piece is people using those types of tools to make an active and informed decision.

There doesn't need to be a hard and fast rule about kids not seeing R rated movies. A movie can get an R rating for merely having a few curse words, which is different than a movie with extreme sex or violence. I would hope that parents play an active role when it comes to what their kids watch.

A friend who is a teacher had to talk to his grade 3 class because they were playing games and pretending to shoot each other as an imitation of the Squid Game TV series. Elementary school kids do not need to be watching one of the most violent TV shows in existence.

Yeah, let parents decide for the most part by all means, but it should be acknowledged that many aren't paying attention and there is a line where I have no problem saying that yes, letting your kid watch this particular show at their age is bad parenting.
 

TP2000

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A friend who is a teacher had to talk to his grade 3 class because they were playing games and pretending to shoot each other as an imitation of the Squid Game TV series. Elementary school kids do not need to be watching one of the most violent TV shows in existence.

Yeah, let parents decide for the most part by all means, but it should be acknowledged that many aren't paying attention and there is a line where I have no problem saying that yes, letting your kid watch this particular show at their age is bad parenting.

Look at us, agreeing on something! 😍
 

LittleBuford

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Exactly if a parent decides that their child can handle a rated R movie, that is up to them. It is not up to me or anyone else to say that parent cannot bring their child to that rated R movie.
I disagree. Elsewhere in the world (such as the UK), the rating system works differently and isn’t just advisory when it comes to R-rated films. British cinemas won’t let anyone under 15 see Deadpool and Wolverine, and that’s as it should be (I certainly wouldn’t have felt comfortable sharing the space with younger children). Now, if parents decide on a different approach at home, no-one can stop them, but there’s nothing unusual or inherently undesirable about society setting certain parameters when it comes to what children should and shouldn’t be exposed to.
 

LittleBuford

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Personally I wouldn’t bring a preteen to see Deadpool but it’s refreshing to see so many people who support parents having the final say on what is and isn’t appropriate for their kids, the best person to determine what’s appropriate for a kid is the people who know the kid best, their parent(s).
This is, unfortunately, by no means always the case.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I disagree. Elsewhere in the world (such as the UK), the rating system works differently and isn’t just advisory when it comes to R-rated films. British cinemas won’t let anyone under 15 see Deadpool and Wolverine, and that’s as it should be (I certainly wouldn’t have felt comfortable sharing the space with younger children). Now, if parents decide on a different approach at home, no-one can stop them, but there’s nothing unusual or inherently undesirable about society setting certain parameters when it comes to what children should and shouldn’t be exposed to.
Well we see it differently, and since my experience is based on the US which doesn’t limit whether a parent can take their kid to a rated R movie or not that is what I base thing on. Obviously different countries set whatever standard is appropriate for them.
 

erasure fan1

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If you were to tell me in public what activity I can and can't do with my child we'd have an issue. Its none of your business what someone does or doesn't do with their child as long as the child is in no harm.
I wouldn't say anything to someone in public, because I shouldn't have to. Taking a 6yr old to Deadpool is really not appropriate. That should be common sense. You say as long as you're not harming. There's plenty of studies saying you could be. A 6yr old is in kindergarten/1st grade. It shouldn't be controversial to say a they shouldn't be watching bloody violence, cursing and all the sexual things in a Deadpool film. But unfortunately that's the state of modern society.
 

LittleBuford

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I wouldn't say anything to someone in public, because I shouldn't have to. Taking a 6yr old to Deadpool is really not appropriate. That should be common sense. You say as long as you're not harming. There's plenty of studies saying you could be. A 6yr old is in kindergarten/1st grade. It shouldn't be controversial to say a they shouldn't be watching bloody violence, cursing and all the sexual things in a Deadpool film. But unfortunately that's the state of modern society.
I agree with everything you wrote except for the last sentence. People have been taking their children to age-inappropriate films for decades, at least in the US. There was a minor scandal back in 1973 because young kids were attending screenings of The Exorcist.
 
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erasure fan1

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I agree with everything you wrote except for the last sentence. People have been taking their children to age-inappropriate films for decades, at least in the US. There was a minor scandal back in 1973 because young kids were attending screenings of The Exorcist.
That's true, I completely agree. My point with modern society is it's not really as frowned upon now. The overall public perception is, well if that's what the parents want, who am I to say anything. Parents have always done questionable things when it comes to parenting. Now it seems wrong to label said things as not good so as not to offend anyone. And I just find that a bit strange.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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This is, unfortunately, by no means always the case.
Unfortunately it’s not always the case but we have a lot of safeguards in place to address the exceptions, no system is perfect but I’d rather err on the side of parental rights and address the outliers individually than make blanket rules that take away the rights of decent parents to make decisions for their children.
 

DKampy

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An important piece is people using those types of tools to make an active and informed decision.

There doesn't need to be a hard and fast rule about kids not seeing R rated movies. A movie can get an R rating for merely having a few curse words, which is different than a movie with extreme sex or violence. I would hope that parents play an active role when it comes to what their kids watch.

A friend who is a teacher had to talk to his grade 3 class because they were playing games and pretending to shoot each other as an imitation of the Squid Game TV series. Elementary school kids do not need to be watching one of the most violent TV shows in existence.

Yeah, let parents decide for the most part by all means, but it should be acknowledged that many aren't paying attention and there is a line where I have no problem saying that yes, letting your kid watch this particular show at their age is bad parenting.
I was generally not allowed to see R Rated movies when I was young… sometimes after my parents watched such a film before hand I would be allowed… I remember my mom deciding I could watch Beverly Hills cop the next day after watching a rental the night before

On the flip side my brother who is 12 years younger my parents let up on their rules and he was able to watch stuff like Pulp Fiction… as well as my cousins who were close to my age would be allowed to watch stuff like Friday the 13th and Porkys… none of them were messed up from it

I say this as someone who would probably would be some what restrictive on what my kids watched depending on age, maturity level and rather or not I thought they could handle it if I had childrenI….but I don’t feel I have the right to tell others how to raise their children…who is to say if it was not a 2nd screening and those parents thought their kids could handle it after watching a first time…. But no matter what it is those adults decision
 

LittleBuford

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That's true, I completely agree. My point with modern society is it's not really as frowned upon now. The overall public perception is, well if that's what the parents want, who am I to say anything. Parents have always done questionable things when it comes to parenting. Now it seems wrong to label said things as not good so as not to offend anyone. And I just find that a bit strange.
I don’t know that things were better in the past:



The overall public perception is, well if that's what the parents want, who am I to say anything. Parents have always done questionable things when it comes to parenting. Now it seems wrong to label said things as not good so as not to offend anyone. And I just find that a bit strange.
Honestly, the last few pages of this thread seem almost upside down to me. In my experience, it’s normally right-leaning people who argue that parents should have the last say and left-leaning people who argue the opposite. The former viewpoint does not seem newfangled to me.
 

LittleBuford

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Unfortunately it’s not always the case but we have a lot of safeguards in place to address the exceptions, no system is perfect but I’d rather err on the side of parental rights and address the outliers individually than make blanket rules that take away the rights of decent parents to make decisions for their children.
To my mind, a blanket rule that prevents parents from taking their children to the cinema to see age-inappropriate films would not be taking away their rights (or at least any right they should be entitled to in the first place). It’s insane to me that it’s legal in the US for six-year-olds to accompany their parents to screenings of films like Evil Dead Rise. Quite apart from the harm it can do to the children themselves, the last thing I want is to be sharing my space with kids while watching such material. It’s just inappropriate all around.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I did not expect this thread to shift into parents rights territory so aggressively.

I agree. Parents should be the ultimate arbiter of what content their children should or should not be exposed to. Heck, maybe a legislature should pass a law dealing with the parental rights in, say…education to make sure they get a voice at the table.
There is a difference in my mind between those two situations, but this is not the time or the place for that topic as had been decided by the Mods.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I wouldn't say anything to someone in public, because I shouldn't have to. Taking a 6yr old to Deadpool is really not appropriate. That should be common sense. You say as long as you're not harming. There's plenty of studies saying you could be. A 6yr old is in kindergarten/1st grade. It shouldn't be controversial to say a they shouldn't be watching bloody violence, cursing and all the sexual things in a Deadpool film. But unfortunately that's the state of modern society.
And what if my 6 yr old for example is more mature then the average 6 year old? For example what if my 6 yr old is not in K/1st but actually already in an higher grade because they are advanced and gifted? Is that appropriate because they are far beyond their physical age?
 

LittleBuford

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And what if my 6 yr old for example is more mature then the average 6 year old? For example what if my 6 yr old is not in K/1st but actually already in an higher grade because they are advanced and gifted? Is that appropriate because they are far beyond their physical age?
I don’t want anyone’s six-year-old next to me while hearing jokes about pegging. I don’t care how precocious they are.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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Honestly, the last few pages of this thread seem almost upside down to me. In my experience, it’s normally right-leaning people who argue that parents should have the last say and left-leaning people who argue the opposite. The former viewpoint does not seem newfangled to me.

Right leaning people don't think parents should have the last say. If they deem something inappropriate for their kids they want to take away that choice from other parents. They're the ones banning media. They think they should have the last say.

Left leaning people are fine with parents having the last say. What they're not fine with is being told what their children can see or be taught. Don't like a topic being taught in school? Fine, pull your kids but don't dictate that others be shielded from what you deem to be problematic.

To my mind, a blanket rule that prevents parents from taking their children to the cinema to see age-inappropriate films would not be taking away their rights (or at least any right they should be entitled to in the first place). It’s insane to me that it’s legal in the US for six-year-olds to accompany their parents to screenings of films like Evil Dead Rise. Quite apart from the harm it can do to the children themselves, the last thing I want is to be sharing my space with kids while watching such material. It’s just inappropriate all around.

It absolutely wouldn't be taking away rights. There are already film classifications that minors cannot legally attend. There are age restrictions on lots of things.

I don't think we need a hard rule in this area, but if there was it would be because of inattentive parenting. We have PG-13 and PG-18 (R) so I'd generally say 13 is a good cutoff for R-rated movies. It will vary by child and movie, but there's plenty of stuff for kids to watch.
 

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