Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[TP2000]

yep…, you know if Deadpool and Wolverine was not a success the anti-Disney brigade would be screaming about some sort of agenda or something

Or, you know, a bunch of us realize that adult subject matter that is genuinely hilarious and fun in an R Rated action movie is likely not appropriate for a G or PG Rated family cartoon aimed at young kids.

You wouldn't take your 8 year old son to a strip club (or at least you shouldn't), so you wouldn't take your 8 year old son to an R Rated movie (or at least you shouldn't).

I'll wait here for someone to chime in that R Rated movies and strip clubs are entirely appropriate now for the 3rd grade class field trip and I should stop being so bigoted and stuck in the past...

 

[Disney Irish]

But the post I responded to said specifically that it wouldn’t be a small year for Disney despite their slimmed down lineup, that’s what I was countering. There’s no way Disney will ever come close to pre-pandemic numbers if they’re only releasing a half dozen movies a year, no matter how great those movies are.

As I said I’m sure Disney is happy to be making profit off their movies again but I doubt anyone in the executive suites are thrilled to be making $10 billion less now than they were 5 years ago. The markets changed but that doesn’t make it any less of a loss on the books.

The market cannot sustain the same growth as it did 5 years ago, that is not the fault of Disney. So their books show a profit based on the current market trends, not what the market did 5 years ago. What you're trying to do is attribute market changes that are outside of Disney's control and blame them for making less money than they did when the market was different. That is not only not fair, but its not how the market looks at box office profitability. Again its trying to find something to nitpick about just for the sake of nitpicking.

 

[Disney Irish]

Or, you know, a bunch of us realize that adult subject matter that is genuinely hilarious and fun in an R Rated action movie is likely not appropriate for a G or PG Rated family cartoon aimed at young kids.

You wouldn't take your 8 year old son to a strip club (or at least you shouldn't), so you wouldn't take your 8 year old son to an R Rated movie (or at least you shouldn't).

I'll wait here for someone to chime in that R Rated movies and strip clubs are entirely appropriate now for the 3rd grade class field trip and I should stop being so bigoted and stuck in the past...

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What's funny is that I saw a number of kids (more than a dozen) of varying ages (youngest looked around 6-7) in my full theater when I watched Deadpool at the El Capitan.

Everyone had a good time, no child was crying or anyone having left the theater.

 

[erasure fan1]

(youngest looked around 6-7) in my full theater when I watched Deadpool at the El Capitan.

Everyone had a good time, no child was crying or anyone having left the theater.

That doesn't mean it's somehow appropriate for them to be there.

 

[Disney Irish]

That doesn't mean it's somehow appropriate for them to be there.

"Appropriate" is in the eye of the beholder. What you find appropriate or inappropriate is different from others, and vice-versa.

 

[erasure fan1]

"Appropriate" is in the eye of the beholder.

Sorry, not in this case.

 

[Disney Irish]

Sorry, not in this case.

Its up to each parent to parent their own kids, its not up to you or me to tell them what is appropriate or not appropriate for their kids.

As long as the kids are well mannered and not being harmed, I don't care if a parent brings a kid to a rated R movie.

 

[TP2000]

What's funny is that I saw a number of kids (more than a dozen) of varying ages (youngest looked around 6-7) in my full theater when I watched Deadpool at the El Capitan.

That doesn't make that okay, or appropriate. Children are also being snuck into bars and card rooms and other various houses of ill repute across Los Angeles every day by bad parents, or adult guardians with very bad judgment. And I'm sure there's a few young children tonight who will be hanging out in the back room of strip clubs in LA while their mom works out front. I suppose it's marginally safer in the back room than being left alone in an apartment, but that doesn't make it okay.

That said...

A 6 year old child should not be at an R Rated movie that was labeled by the MPAA as "Rated R for strong bloody violence and language throughout, gore and sexual references."

Deadpool & Wolverine (2024) - Parents guide - IMDb

Deadpool & Wolverine (2024) - Parents guide and Certifications from around the world.

www.imdb.com

 

[Willmark]

There may be. Was it supposed to falter? I had read here months ago this was supposed to be a slam dunk hit for Marvel.

I'm likewise perplexed as to who said it would falter.

 

[Disney Irish]

That doesn't make that okay, or appropriate. Children are also being snuck into bars and card rooms and other various houses of ill repute across Los Angeles every day by bad parents, or adult guardians with very bad judgment. And I'm sure there's a few young children tonight who will be hanging out in the back room of strip clubs in LA while their mom works out front. I suppose it's marginally safer in the back room than being left alone in an apartment, but that doesn't make it okay.

That said...

A 6 year old child should not be at an R Rated movie that was labeled by the MPAA as "Rated R for strong bloody violence and language throughout, gore and sexual references."

Deadpool & Wolverine (2024) - Parents guide - IMDb

Deadpool & Wolverine (2024) - Parents guide and Certifications from around the world.

www.imdb.com

It is for those parents to decide what is best for their children, not you as a childless man over 60.

 

[DKampy]

I'm likewise perplexed as to who said it would falter.

No one said it would…. People knew it would succeed…..which is why you did not see such arguments months beforehand

 

[DKampy]

It is for those parents to decide what is best for their children, not you as a childless man over 60.

There are even websites to help parents decide for themselves if itheir kids could handle any specific R rated movie… but like you said… it really is up to the parents of said child

 

[Disney Irish]

There are even websites to help parents decide for themselves if itheir kids could handle any specific R rated movie… but like you said… it really is up to the parents of said child

Exactly if a parent decides that their child can handle a rated R movie, that is up to them. It is not up to me or anyone else to say that parent cannot bring their child to that rated R movie.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Exactly if a parent decides that their child can handle a rated R movie, that is up to them. It is not up to me or anyone else to say that parent cannot bring their child to that rated R movie.

Indeed. If was deemed *by society* -- and not the parents -- that a child should not see this film, even accompanied by their own parents, then it would have been rated NC-17 or X.

 

[DKampy]

But personally, I have absolutely no problem with gay jokes/gay romance themes/gay sex or graphic nudity in an R Rated movie, just as I have no problem with straight jokes/straight romance/straight sex or graphic nudity in an R Rated movie.

Not that you would know beside I know you have no intention on seeing the film but there is no sex or graphic nudity in the movie…. And IMO drop the f bombs and most of the references could have just as easily fit in a PG-13 movie… the first 2 were more R rated in that regard…. Where it earned it’s r rating was the violence… but we don’t have the right to make choices for other people’s kids

That doesn't make that okay, or appropriate. Children are also being snuck into bars and card rooms

Who said anything about sneaking into R rated movies… children are allowed with a parent or guardian present

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Personally I wouldn’t bring a preteen to see Deadpool but it’s refreshing to see so many people who support parents having the final say on what is and isn’t appropriate for their kids, the best person to determine what’s appropriate for a kid is the people who know the kid best, their parent(s).

 

[TP2000]

It is for those parents to decide what is best for their children, not you as a childless man over 60.

No, that's the wrong answer. For both the 6 year old child, and for society at large.

6 year old children don't belong in strip clubs, or R Rated violent movies with "gore" and "bloody violence", or even in just a strip mall dive bar on Karaoke night. A 6 year old child is precious in their innocence, and should be treated that way.

If you can't publicly say what is right and what is wrong for a 6 year old child, that's your issue. But I don't have that problem.

 

[Disney Irish]

No, that's the wrong answer. For both the 6 year old child, and for society at large.

6 year old children don't belong in strip clubs, or R Rated violent movies with "gore" and "bloody violence", or even in just a strip mall dive bar on Karaoke night. A 6 year old child is precious in their innocence, and should be treated that way.

If you can't publicly say what is right and what is wrong for a 6 year old child, that's your issue. But I don't have that problem.

If you were to tell me in public what activity I can and can't do with my child we'd have an issue. Its none of your business what someone does or doesn't do with their child as long as the child is in no harm. And taking them to a movie that you deem inappropriate is not harm, so its really none of your business.

 

[TP2000]

If you were to tell me in public what activity I can and can't do with my child we'd have an issue. Its none of your business what someone does or doesn't do with their child as long as the child is in no harm. And taking them to a movie that you deem inappropriate is not harm, so its really none of your business.

Absolutely not. It may technically be legal to take a 6 year old to an R Rated movie with gore and bloody violence, but it's socially reprehensible. And very damaging to the child's upbringing.

And if you had a 6 year old child in that R Rated movie theater, or in the back of that strip club, or in that dive bar on Karaoke night, I'd be happy to tell you that.

 

[Disney Irish]

Absolutely not. It may technically be legal to take a 6 year old to an R Rated movie with gore and bloody violence, but it's socially reprehensible. And very damaging to the child's upbringing.

And if you had a 6 year old child in that R Rated movie theater, or in the back of that strip club, or in that dive bar on Karaoke night, I'd be happy to tell you that.

And we'd have words outside on what is appropriate behavior for an adult to be telling another adult what they can and can't do with their kids.