Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Have you ever at any point made a post to complain that a Disney movie with heterosexuality in it was rated G?

Or did Strange World just happen to be the first time?

I think the key difference there is that 99% of the children in the audience have a mother and father (even if some are only being raised by one parent by the time they are old enough to go to the movies). A child knows that children have mothers and fathers instinctually. And not because they were taught that specifically, but because themselves and every other child they know was created the same way, by a woman and a man who are a mother and father. As the old Western Airlines ad used to say... It's The Only Way To Fly.

I say that as someone who is dear friends with a gay couple out in Palm Springs who had two wonderful sons via surrogacy, long before it was even a thing that people talked about. They had to go to a special clinic up in Portland, which was the only one at the time on the West Coast that offered such a service to a gay couple. But that couple knows that they are a very rare minority, and they are very thankful for the support they've received from friends and family over the years. And the stories they could tell about dealing with the public school system in the otherwise liberal Coachella Valley are incredible.

A child sitting in a movie theater in 2023 has less than a tiny, tiny chance of being a surrogate child with two Lesbian moms or two gay dads. So there's no need to force the issue on the 99.5% of the rest of the audience who wants to wait to discuss sexuality and sex with their children at the time that is most appropriate for their own family's culture and religion and value system.

And a PG rated cartoon movie from Walt Disney Animation doesn't seem like the right time or place for most parents, which probably helps explain the horrendous box office for Strange World. (Plus the fact the movie was apparently not very good.)
 
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TP2000

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But YouTube is more of a vast wasteland then TV ever was.

I could kind of agree with that. But what is so wonderful about YouTube is that it can be so finitely tailored to the specific viewer; a hundred different videos on how to cook Beef Wellington, a hundred videos on how to repair and service a 1970's Rolex watch, an intricate engineering discussion about the automated personal transit system that was way ahead of its time when it was built at the University of West Virginia fifty years ago, etc., etc.

TV of the 20th century offered some incredible and truly great artistry. But more often it offered dreck and cheesy crap. For every show like MASH, there were ten shows like Hello, Larry or Supertrain. For every series like Roots, there was a dozen series like V or Amerika. For every smart game show like Jeopardy, there was a a dozen mindless (yet still fun) shows like Match Game or The Gong Show.

There's tons of crap on YouTube. But there's also so many millions and millions of hours of media on YouTube now that there's also a great deal of excellent content. That's when the Search function comes in. ;)
 

LittleBuford

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Have you ever at any point made a post to complain that a Disney movie with heterosexuality in it was rated G?

Or did Strange World just happen to be the first time?
Quoting myself:
I find it interesting that parents are apparently comfortable with their children learning about death, murder (including fratricide), black magic, kidnapping, false imprisonment, teenage marriage, etc., from Disney films but draw the line at love between gay people.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I’m pro-labor

Period. Whether it’s at the stroller rental at DAK…a McDonald’s in Ohio…or the actors in burbank.

I just think the Hollywood business model is in alot more trouble than we realize.

It’s probably been coming for decades…but it’s at its “high water” point and the damn is about to break.

A bad…but easy comparison is the collapse of brick and mortar retail. It’s Been brewing…started by tech and accelerated by preferences born out of that tech.

How can we know for sure the full fallout? The impact to masses of employees and daily lives as a whole.

I live in a very high end suburb of the 5th/6th largest city of the wealthiest country in the history of the universe…
And we have malls in the area actually being demolished. Banks and Starbucks are closing as “not needed”…
Just a thought.

If there’s not enough money for the wealthy to get more insanely wealthy - cause EVERYBODY has live off “wealth”…not “pay”…since the policy changes of the 80s, 90s, 00s…then how does it sustain itself? Including Hollywood?
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I could kind of agree with that. But what is so wonderful about YouTube is that it can be so finitely tailored to the specific viewer; a hundred different videos on how to cook Beef Wellington, a hundred videos on how to repair and service a 1970's Rolex watch, an intricate engineering discussion about the automated personal transit system that was way ahead of its time when it was built at the University of West Virginia fifty years ago, etc., etc.

TV of the 20th century offered some incredible and truly great artistry. But more often it offered dreck and cheesy crap. For every show like MASH, there were ten shows like Hello, Larry or Supertrain. For every series like Roots, there was a dozen series like V or Amerika. For every smart game show like Jeopardy, there was a a dozen mindless (yet still fun) shows like Match Game or The Gong Show.

There's tons of crap on YouTube. But there's also so many millions and millions of hours of media on YouTube now that there's also a great deal of excellent content. That's when the Search function comes in. ;)
You tube is “exhibit A” as to why the Bobs saying “no one will ever cancel/refuse to pay for our stream…” was basically silly for the moment.

In order to pull that off…they’d need to spend $40 billion on content each year to stay ahead of stagnation.

Ironically just like theme parks…which they haven’t done and now that’s cracking.

As the world expands…attention deficit for products and brands shrinks. Only one way to combat that: pay your way out of it.

That’s the issue.
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
It's weird to dismiss the necessity of actors and writers compared to people who are "essential".

I'd wager that the vast majority of people rely on television and movies for their daily entertainment.

Unless you're rich and constantly travelling or something, television is something most people use every day.

How would people fill their time if every entertainer stopped producing material?
They could try working.
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
He was obviously referring to one’s free time. You don’t watch TV shows or movies when you’re not working?
I watch very little content a week. Usually 2 hours.

The post was referring to people who are not wealthy. How I spend my free time will be different then someone who hasn’t achieved financial success.

Watching tv is a horrible habit that I actively work to avoid. It has no redeemable value whatsoever.
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
You can probably do better than that

Nobody wants to “work” and fall behind in any walk of life…it’s just people throw stones at those that try to do something about when it’s not “their” time to do so
Yeah I can do better but I know people who watch hours of tv a day and complain they don’t have any money. 🤷‍♂️
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Yeah I can do better but I know people who watch hours of tv a day and complain they don’t have any money. 🤷‍♂️
And I know plenty that get money from their parents/grandparents business and spend half their time complaining about paying taxes…

So what’s the point? Trade anecdotes or agree the world isn’t perfect and not EVERYONE is perfect like you and I are?
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
And I know plenty that get money from their parents/grandparents business and spend half their time complaining about paying taxes…

So what’s the point? Trade anecdotes or agree the world isn’t perfect and not EVERYONE is perfect like you and I are?
Yeah the difference is the people complaining about taxes have money. The people complaining about not having money actually don’t have it.

Look having a lot of money isn’t really all it’s cracked up to be. HOWEVER there is a massive quality of life increases between say 40k a year and 100k.

I understand life if extremely difficult and many face mental, physical, emotional, even societal barriers.

However if they can overcome enough barriers to land in the middle or upper middle class a lot of stress would be reduced.

TV when used improperly is just another drug. If you are using it to mask problems it may be advantageous to try another path to overcome them.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
The post was referring to people who are not wealthy. How I spend my free time will be different then someone who hasn’t achieved financial success.
Even non-wealthy people have to take time off work.

Watching tv is a horrible habit that I actively work to avoid. It has no redeemable value whatsoever.
I couldn’t disagree more. High-quality television can rival the best cinema and theatre.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Yeah the difference is the people complaining about taxes have money. The people complaining about not having money actually don’t have it.

Look having a lot of money isn’t really all it’s cracked up to be. HOWEVER there is a massive quality of life increases between say 40k a year and 100k.

I understand life if extremely difficult and many face mental, physical, emotional, even societal barriers.

However if they can overcome enough barriers to land in the middle or upper middle class a lot of stress would be reduced.

TV when used improperly is just another drug. If you are using it to mask problems it may be advantageous to try another path to overcome them.
Is this the first day of “Adult 101” class?

Cause it sure seems like you’re crapping on people at least try to do something on their own with creativity…which involves risk…over pigs that do nothing and get fat off it?

I mean…I may agree with you that Disney has lost its mind and made some bad ideas into movies that failed…
…but I haven’t become stupid about society.

The 1985 ideas of robber barons and the talking picture panels that continue to spew it everyday to goad you into watching adds for drug companies are still wrong
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
No one said anything about worthless, but making less international doesn't help it being profitable.
But there is a point to saying a film that will have international appeal vs one with less.

Yes international split is less... but having potential gross is still notable vs a film that is expected to do far less because of culture/subject/bans/etc.
 

Wendy Pleakley

Well-Known Member
They could try working.

Oh brother. I made the observation that most people rely on television for daily affordable entertainment which somehow gets twisted to, people are watching TV all day! No one wants to work!

There are lots of things the average person would no doubt love to do instead, but that takes money. People need entertainment in between vacations or activities they save up for.

The strikes mean a lot of reruns and reality TV. I don't think people will appreciate this long term.

And what are people watching on YouTube that somehow makes it a replacement for traditional network TV or streaming services?

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Trauma

Well-Known Member
Is this the first day of “Adult 101” class?

Cause it sure seems like you’re crapping on people at least try to do something on their own with creativity…which involves risk…over pigs that do nothing and get fat off it?

I mean…I may agree with you that Disney has lost its mind and made some bad ideas into movies that failed…
…but I haven’t become stupid about society.

The 1985 ideas of robber barons and the talking picture panels that continue to spew it everyday to goad you into watching adds for drug companies are still wrong
It must be my first day of “reading comprehension 101”.

How does suggesting people in less than ideal financial situations should watch less tv lead to-
Cause it sure seems like you’re crapping on people at least try to do something on their own with creativity…which involves risk…over pigs that do nothing and get fat off it?
When they are sitting on their couch after work watching Storage Wars they are doing something with their own creativity and taking risks?

I had to work 80+ hours a week for a decade to get where I needed to be. Am I just some evil pig getting fat?

Can you clarify?

I’m willing to accept I’m completely wrong but in order to do so I will need to understand the premise.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It must be my first day of “reading comprehension 101”.

How does suggesting people in less than ideal financial situations should watch less tv lead to-

When they are sitting on their couch after work watching Storage Wars they are doing something with their own creativity and taking risks?

I had to work 80+ hours a week for a decade to get where I needed to be. Am I just some evil pig getting fat?

Can you clarify?

I’m willing to accept I’m completely wrong but in order to do so I will need to understand the premise.
There’s a really silly Myth that everyone who is poor or not affluent sits around and wastes time watching tv…

And everyone that is not works their knuckles till they bleed.

Neither economists nor sociologists that research this think that…
It’s more of a manipulative dog whistle for gain by those that don’t need “gain” and has been for 50-100 years.

Just want to make sure my view is firm on this regarding the Hollywood strikes.

The guilds are probably unrealistic…as are the corporations

Bob Iger still looks like an @$$ for opening his mouth…and the people who told him to do it are cowards.
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
There’s a really silly Myth that everyone who is poor or not affluent sits around and wastes time watching tv…

And everyone that is not works their knuckles till they bleed.

Neither economists nor sociologists that research this think that…
It’s more of a manipulative dog whistle for gain by those that don’t need “gain” and has been for 50-100 years.

Just want to make sure my view is firm on this regarding the Hollywood strikes.

The guilds are probably unrealistic…as are the corporations

Bob Iger still looks like an @$$ for opening his mouth…and the people who told him to do it are cowards.
Ok well my post had nothing to do with Hollywood strikes.

As far as the strikes are concerned I haven’t had time to review the details.

With that being said I would default to coming down on the side of labor.

The idea that people are simple cogs in the corporate machine to be worn down and replaced with no consideration at all is repulsive.

Bob Iger’s comments are indefensible and even more ignorant considering the setting they were delivered in.
 

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