Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

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celluloid

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brideck said:
Believe it or not, there are people who years down the road will seek it out and watch it because it won a major award. That obviously won't ever mean that millions of people are watching it at any given time, but it does mean that it will have an evergreen long-tail of viewers.
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While quality will out, there are thousands of Oscar Film and award show noms and winners over the years that are completely forgotten. Even the greatest don't last evergreen.
There is more content created now than ever before. The way of the world. Even with varying qualities, there is more consumed and more found to be great by popular culture and sometimes more disposable.

Earthquake is seen now as the Disaster era scholock and it won Oscars, had a theme park attraction and now people don't even connect the tram scene in california's theme park loosely based on it. And that is a phenom of a movie with the best A listing actors of its time, in its most popular genre with Academy Award wins.


With very rare exception, lasting forever in popular culture is rarely more than 20 years. Mark Twain is sometimes attributed to a quote about works lasting forever, and by forever he means 20 years.
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Ayla said:
The Oscars used to be Only See TV. There weren't a hundred other options to watch at the same time.
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Agreed. But that's not a recent factor. But that was definitely a factor in the 1960's to early 1980's.

By the time the Oscars hit 55 Million viewers in 1998 because of Titanic, the entire country had cable TV with a few hundred channels and a VHS library with a VCR or two in the home.

The general viewership trend in the 2000's was already headed downward, until the ratings fell off a cliff in 2014 and are still headed downward. Even when you back out the Covid blip of 2021 and 2022, the Oscars trendline is very clear. :(
 
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celluloid said:
Earthquake is seen now as the Disaster era scholock and it won Oscars,
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That's hysterical! If I had once known that, I'd long since forgotten. Do I dare Google up which Oscars that Earthquake won in 1974?.... Here I go....

Oh, phew! It was nominated for 5 Oscars, and won 2, but all for technical stuff like Film Editing and Sound Mixing. I was honestly afraid that Charlton Heston won the Best Actor award for driving that custom Chevy Blazer through the wrecked streets of LA, or Walter Mathau won Best Supporting Actor for staying upright on his barstool throughout the Big One. 🤣

For the kids out there, watch Earthquake. It's a hysterical example of 1970's Disaster Movie shlock. And it's star-studded.
 
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Meanwhile, it doesn’t seem like there’s been a big Oscar bounce for Poor Things. The universally reviled Madame Web, which has been bashed endlessly by its stars, made four times Poor Things’s box office this Tuesday.
 
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celluloid

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It is wild how well Kung Fu Panda 4 and Dune have done. Both quality for different reasons. Refreshing. Almost as if the theatrical box office is very viable and crucial to movie making show business for major studios.

Nice to see Oppenheimer (and already very successful film in every sense of the word) and Hold Overs back in theaters with a nice bump.
 
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celluloid

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Chi84 said:
I want saying that at all.
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Freudian slip there?
Then why did you make a point that families would be deciding when it was pointed out that madame web, a blah film reception was outperforming Poor Things weeks later with all the Oscar acclaim buzz vs bad word of mouth and time?
 
Chi84

Chi84

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celluloid said:
Freudian slip there?
Then why did you make a point that families would be deciding when it was pointed out that madame web, a blah film reception was outperforming Poor Things weeks later with all the Oscar acclaim buzz vs bad word of mouth and time?
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I’m just saying that Poor Things is more of a niche-type movie that was never envisioned to appeal to audiences as wide as the ones interested in Madame Web or Oppenheimer. In fact, the poster I was referring to mentioned Madame Web, not Oppenheimer. I have no idea what kind of point you’re trying to make.

On another point, what do you mean when you use the phrase “Freudian slip?”
 
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celluloid

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Chi84 said:
I’m just saying that Poor Things is more of a niche-type movie that was never envisioned to appeal to audiences as wide as the ones interested in Madame Webb or Oppenheimer. In fact, the poster I was referring to mentioned Madame Webb, not Oppenheimer. I have no idea what kind of point you’re trying to make.

On another point, what do you mean when you use the phrase “Freudian slip?”
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Read your post I quoted again. You had a funny typo there.

I brought up Oppenheimer because it is an example of a drama that has shot up to have interest in adult drama going audiences. Oppenheimer was an example. Yes, it has larger appeal but also larger budget. It still made three times it's budget domestically, so Poor Things could not get that even with the bump.

Even without my example of Oppenheimer, there are many examples that have done the thing better and won interest over other large audience spectrum pleasing choices.
Everything Everywhere All at Once would be a great example of niche audience that won Oscars and got much great play before and after that win in theaters over other madame web level choices.

So what what was your point?
 
Chi84

Chi84

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celluloid said:
Read your post I quoted again. You had a funny typo there.

I brought up Oppenheimer because it is an example of a drama that has shot up to have interest in adult drama going audiences. Oppenheimer was an example. Yes, it has larger appeal but also larger budget. It still made three times it's budget domestically, so Poor Things could not get that even with the bump.

Even without my example of Oppenheimer, there are many examples that have done the thing better and won interest over other large audience spectrum pleasing choices.
Everything Everywhere All at Once would be a great example of niche audience that won Oscars and got much great play before and after that win in theaters over other madame web level choices.

So what what was your point?
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Just that Poor Things is a very different type of film than Madame Web. It’s not a family type movie, nor is it something that needs a big screen for special effects. It’s more the type of film you stream while the kids are in bed. And it’s available for that purpose.

You seem to be intent on finding some hidden meaning there.
 
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Chi84 said:
Just that Poor Things is a very different type of film than Madame Web. It’s not a family type movie, nor is it something that needs a big screen for special effects. It’s more the type of film you stream while the kids are in bed. And it’s available for that purpose.

You seem to be intent on finding some hidden meaning there.
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Exactly Poor things is the type of movie that the general population might not be willing to take a chance on a art house film of that nature at theaters, but will be willing to check it out via streaming… which I am sure why it was made available on streaming the weekend of the Oscars… I believe once the streaming charts are available I believe it will be near or at the top of the charts
 
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celluloid said:
Read your post I quoted again. You had a funny typo there.

I brought up Oppenheimer because it is an example of a drama that has shot up to have interest in adult drama going audiences. Oppenheimer was an example. Yes, it has larger appeal but also larger budget. It still made three times it's budget domestically, so Poor Things could not get that even with the bump.

Even without my example of Oppenheimer, there are many examples that have done the thing better and won interest over other large audience spectrum pleasing choices.
Everything Everywhere All at Once would be a great example of niche audience that won Oscars and got much great play before and after that win in theaters over other madame web level choices.

So what what was your point?
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I would expect Oppenheimer to have the biggest pop of the award movies… It got the biggest award of the night… If I was an Academy award voter… I would of even voted for Oppenheimer… It was my number 1 movie for 2023… but that does not say that Poor Things was any less great…it was firmly in my top 10 for the year at #4

For the type of movie Poor Things was it was very successful… It made a profit in the theatrical window and will continue to add to it’s profits for years to come thanks to it’s awards recognition…Madame Web was a failure anyway you look at it

The only point I see is twisting things to say Disney bad… all other studios good
 
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celluloid

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Chi84 said:
Okay that explains things a bit. But don’t you think it’s kind of weird for all these people to spend time on a Disney fan site looking to hammer it for every movie it makes? Give the poor nail a break once in awhile.
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You can certainly find me posting many things that point out the bad and odd choices of other studios.

There is not always an agenda. Sometimes, when the CEO is promising the shareholders a plan to get better, it really has been a sucky time.

I never said Poor Things was not profitable, but the theatrical Oscar boost did not happen.

And you listed Madame Webb as if it was a movie families would choose. When not really the situation as Wonka, Migration and Kung Fu Panda 4 are where 99 percent those families are certainly going.
 

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