Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

TP2000

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I was in the lounge waiting for our third friend to arrive before going to the table, but they had the Oscars on at the bar and I watched it without sound for 10 minutes. Was it any good this year? I did notice bigger bowties on the men are coming back in style. According to my phone after dinner, Oppenheimer won big.

I still haven't seen that movie, so do I need to learn how to love The Bomb and go see it? Or do I already know how it ends...

We drop two atomic bombs, Imperial Japan surrenders, and at least 500,000 lives on both sides are saved by not having to invade the Japanese home islands. Cue the suburbs, rock n' roll, then Sony transistor radios and Honda motorbikes by 1965!
 

brideck

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I still haven't seen that movie, so do I need to learn how to love The Bomb and go see it? Or do I already know how it ends...

Actually, you probably don't, as the movie is about the man and not the war or the bomb as such.

Having not lived through it, I did not know that Oppenheimer was caught up as a target during the Red Scare or about any of the political brouhaha around Lewis Strauss.
 

TP2000

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Actually, you probably don't, as the movie is about the man and not the war or the bomb as such.

Having not lived through it, I did not know that Oppenheimer was caught up as a target during the Red Scare or about any of the political brouhaha around Lewis Strauss.

Ah, so there's a twist at the end? I love history and period stuff in general, so I'll look forward to maybe watching it on streaming.

I was honestly mildly intrigued by Oppenheimer last summer, but I got all hyped up for Barbie so I kind of spent all my movie energy on that one instead. It's a shame Disney can't make movies like this via their 20th Century Studios division or something.

I take it Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny didn't win big at this year's Oscars? Even with it's $300 Million production budget?
 

BrianLo

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I take it Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny didn't win big at this year's Oscars? Even with it's $300 Million production budget?

Poor things won four Oscars. Only Raiders of the lost ark won and was nominated for a slate of Oscars, definitely wasn’t an oscars bait movie.

In adjacent news a Boy and His Heron won best animated film so we can leave the fanboy arguments aside for two seconds and declare Studio Ghibli the winning studio. 😂
 

BrianLo

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I would anticipate some kind of bump for Poor Things.

Who’d have thought Fox would bring some of the biggest success stories? Between Searchlight, Avatar: WoW and presumably Deadpool/Wolverine. Plus FX is absolutely popping. None of it is perfect, but definitely those studios are justifying their continued presence in the hierarchy.

Not surprised a lot of their leadership are being promoted up the ranks.
 

Tha Realest

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Poor things won four Oscars. Only Raiders of the lost ark won and was nominated for a slate of Oscars, definitely wasn’t an oscars bait movie.

In adjacent news a Boy and His Heron won best animated film so we can leave the fanboy arguments aside for two seconds and declare Studio Ghibli the winning studio. 😂
Each of the first three films was nominated for, and won, at least one Academy Award in various categories.
 

Prince-1

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I was in the lounge waiting for our third friend to arrive before going to the table, but they had the Oscars on at the bar and I watched it without sound for 10 minutes. Was it any good this year? I did notice bigger bowties on the men are coming back in style. According to my phone after dinner, Oppenheimer won big.

I still haven't seen that movie, so do I need to learn how to love The Bomb and go see it? Or do I already know how it ends...

We drop two atomic bombs, Imperial Japan surrenders, and at least 500,000 lives on both sides are saved by not having to invade the Japanese home islands. Cue the suburbs, rock n' roll, then Sony transistor radios and Honda motorbikes by 1965!

You don't see most of the films that are discussed on here so why start now??
 

TalkingHead

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In adjacent news a Boy and His Heron won best animated film so we can leave the fanboy arguments aside for two seconds and declare Studio Ghibli the winning studio. 😂
Oscar gonna Oscar. IMO Spider-verse was good enough to be nominated for Best Pic, so losing to an okay mid-tier Miyazaki is on-brand for the Academy.

Will say IMAX getting props during the Best Pic acceptance might be a reminder to the interests in the room: there’ve been a lot of hits and misses post-COVID, but the movies that have been made specifically with premium large format screens in mind have all been met with success - Avatar, Oppenheimer, and now Dune. If anyone is awake at Disney, the next Star Wars should be a stand-alone large-screen spectacle that’s marketed as such. Of course, diluting the brand by sticking a big chunk into streaming series probably makes it harder to sell that message.

On that point, unless I missed it, did Iger not get his customary cutaway shot during the telecast?
 

brideck

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Also targeted to some of the previous conversation in this thread, I thought that Cord Jefferson's speech (Best Adapted Screenplay: American Fiction) was interesting. He attempted to tell the studios that making 20 $10m movies (and letting the American public know they exist) can be just as good of an investment (if not better) than making one risky $200m tentpole. Given the tentpole success rate post-pandemic, maybe that's something that the bigwigs will actually hear.

Probably not.
 

BrianLo

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Oscar gonna Oscar. IMO Spider-verse was good enough to be nominated for Best Pic, so losing to an okay mid-tier Miyazaki is on-brand for the Academy.

Will say IMAX getting props during the Best Pic acceptance might be a reminder to the interests in the room: there’ve been a lot of hits and misses post-COVID, but the movies that have been made specifically with premium large format screens in mind have all been met with success - Avatar, Oppenheimer, and now Dune. If anyone is awake at Disney, the next Star Wars should be a stand-alone large-screen spectacle that’s marketed as such. Of course, diluting the brand by sticking a big chunk into streaming series probably makes it harder to sell that message.

On that point, unless I missed it, did Iger not get his customary cutaway shot during the telecast?

I haven’t seen it (Boy and the Heron) yet unfortunately! I’m sure in many ways it’s a token towards Miyazaki as this presumably will be his last ‘epic’. But Oscars are going to Oscar. Spider verse was great though and equally would have supported its win.

Though I wonder how a ‘part one’, but also a sequel weighs on the academy.

I do think IMAX is the way to go. Albeit Tenet was a miss. If you’re going to go all in, go all the way in.
 

TalkingHead

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I haven’t seen it (Boy and the Heron) yet unfortunately! I’m sure in many ways it’s a token towards Miyazaki as this presumably will be his last ‘epic’. But Oscars are going to Oscar. Spider verse was great though and equally would have supported its win.

Though I wonder how a ‘part one’, but also a sequel weighs on the academy.

I do think IMAX is the way to go. Albeit Tenet was a miss. If you’re going to go all in, go all the way in.
I admired the Miyazaki title and it’s nice for his career to be recognized by the Academy. But, yeah, I agree Spider-verse’s Pt 1 deal didn’t help either.

Also found it interesting that the cinematography acceptance speech amusingly advocated for shooting on this cool new format called celluloid. I feel like anything the studios and filmmakers can do to differentiate the product in the theaters from digital content helps, and 35mm like IMAX, even if projected digitally, has the potential to be sold to audiences as a special part of the visual experience. It’s absolutely one of the reasons Poor Things looked as mesmerizing as it did.
 

erasure fan1

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He attempted to tell the studios that making 20 $10m movies (and letting the American public know they exist) can be just as good of an investment (if not better) than making one risky $200m tentpole.
That's a tough one. I agree with the sentiment behind what he's saying. The smaller films are great, but not something the majority of people go to the theater for. American fiction made 22mil on a reported budget of 25mil. I'm sure the advertising budget was fairly small. So even at 5mil for advertising, the film lost almost $40mil. Not really a ringing endorsement. Would a bigger advertising budget have helped? I doubt enough to push it past 70+mil at the box office. The answer is probably, every film doesn't need to be 200/250mil plus event film. Just be smarter with the budgets.
 

BuddyThomas

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TP2000

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You don't see most of the films that are discussed on here so why start now??

I don't see most movies in general. 🤣

I usually only go to the movies once, maybe twice, per year with family in summer or on holiday weekends. But I do enjoy watching some historical films and World War II documentaries on YouTube.

I'll likely see Oppenheimer at home at some point. 🤔
 

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