Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Disney Irish]

If he made a non-Marvel action film, his name wouldn’t be a draw.

And yet that is why a whole lot of Star Wars fans were happy and down right cheered when his name was attached to one of the films......

With that said I mostly agree with you for most producers. There are some rock star non-actor people involved in Hollywood, so don't discount their draw.

 

[Casper Gutman]

And yet that is why a whole lot of Star Wars fans were happy and down right cheered when his name was attached to one of the films......

With that said I mostly agree with you for most producers. There are some rock star non-actor people involved in Hollywood, so don't discount their draw.

There are rock star directors, writers, composers, etc. Rock star creatives. Thats the point.

 

[brb1006]

Thanks. Wait a minute, are you saying Disney didn’t reach their 100 yet?

Disney doesn't officially turn 100 until October 16, 2023.

 

[TsWade2]

Disney doesn't officially turn 100 until October 16, 2023.

Hmm...how very interesting!

 

[TsWade2]

Officially their 100th is on October 16th, 2023.

However was TP was talking about is that their next 100th, ie 200th in 2123, will be here before you know it. Of course all of us will be gone by that point so it doesn't truly matter.

Yeah, I'm not so sure if I'll make it for Disney's 200th anniversary.

 

[Disney Irish]

There are rock star directors, writers, composers, etc. Rock star creatives. Thats the point.

Which means there are more then just actors who draw people to see movies. Which ultimately was the point I was making with my Feige comment.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah, I'm not so sure if I'll make it for Disney's 200th anniversary.

No offense, but the odds are not in your favor to make it.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Which means there are more than just actors who draw people to see movies. Which ultimately was the point I was making with my Feige comment.

Yes. I know. I included writers in the post to which you first responded. This whole conversation is about an actors AND writers strike….

 

[erasure fan1]

The thing is, people say they don't care about Hollywood actors and that acting isn't a "real job," yet they will get angry when their favorite movies or shows are delayed and there isn't enough content to watch.

Entertainment — whether it be movies, theater or music — IS an important profession. You won't die without it, but your enjoyment in life will decrease without it.

It is important, just like sports. But if you ask people about professional athletes they'd say about the same thing. Stick to your job because no one wants to listen your elitist attitude talking down to everyone. Entertainment is very important, it always has been. It's a way to escape the real world. But professional Hollywood elites just aren't needed as much anymore.

And yet that is why a whole lot of Star Wars fans were happy and down right cheered when his name was attached to one of the films......

Yes, most fans knew that Kevin is a HUGE star wars fan. I'd say much bigger than Marvel. So yea, when his name came up that he was working on star wars, fans definitely got excited. The average fan or casual wouldn't care. But the mainline core fan he was most definitely a draw.

 

[erasure fan1]

Those same people will, of course, frantically elevate, amplify, and celebrate any sports star or “Hollywood elite” who happens to agree with them.

I'm sure there are some. But I see more and more people saying just be quiet and do your job. Even if they align politically. Not many want to be lectured to by people who live in a completely different world. I don't care if an actor or athlete agrees with me politically. Because when push comes to shove, their life situation is in no way shape or form reflective of mine.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And yet that is why a whole lot of Star Wars fans were happy and down right cheered when his name was attached to one of the films......

With that said I mostly agree with you for most producers. There are some rock star non-actor people involved in Hollywood, so don't discount their draw.

…whose left at this point?

And as with most “announcements” these days from
Disney…is it going anywhere?

That journal article about big Bobby today was rather brutal

He’s got some heavy weight enemies with their scope trained on him now

 

[GimpYancIent]

There has only been one actor that portrayed himself on screen and that was Audie Murphy. Actors as seen on screen are portraying someone else or a fictional character when off screen and interacting with the public as themselves, well simply put its not the same person. All too often the real person is a disappointment as soon as they drift off the topic of entertainment / acting. The decline of viewership for the OSCARS is a good indicator of the loss of star power, influence and interest that people in general have for the so-called stars.

 

[TP2000]

Folks really emulating cartoon villains in this thread!

I don't know about villainy, but myself and others here have just been truthful when it comes to how sympathetic we are to the career of "Hollywood Actor/Actress". These aren't SoCal supermarket clerks striking in 2004, of which I and many others were highly sympathetic towards, and I even baked some of my famous chocolate cookies for and took them down to the picket line at my local Ralph's Fresh Fare.

I think the vast majority of Americans also fall into that category when it comes to their concern about this Hollywood strike.

"Hollywood Actor" is simply not an industry or a profession that elicits a lot of sympathy from the average American. That's just the truth.

I’d love to know what all the folks here do that they consider their careers so much more worthy and socially significant than those of actors and writers.

35,000 Disneyland Cast Members were labeled as officially "Non-Essential" for an entire year in 2020-2021 and put out of work. Also barbers and manicurists and waitresses and furniture salesmen and JCPenney salesclerks and a thousand other jobs that were all declared officially Non-Essential. A Hollywood actor or actress, whether they're an unknown background extra in a Dr. Pepper commercial or Jamie Lee Curtis as Madame Leota in a big budget movie, is just as Non-Essential as barbers and waitresses and Jungle Cruise Skippers.

We will survive without Hollywood actors and actresses for a year or more. No problem.

 

[Disney Analyst]

 

[TP2000]

It feels like the one-two punch of this summer of flops and strikes is going to inflict some major (and long overdue) change on Hollywood. With mega-budget flops piling up, and now a full Hollywood shutdown by unions that will really damage the broader SoCal economy, the Summer of '23 won't be remembered fondly.

Box Office Fallout = These mega-budgets Disney approves have to be reduced ASAP. This is no longer working.

Hollywood Strike Fallout = The future use of AI in writing and background actors must be addressed, because if Hollywood continues to pretend neither of those technologies exist and can be leveraged in production, then media production will just move to a country where those technologies can be leveraged to produce a movie; Canada, Mexico, or God forbid, Communist China.

 

[celluloid]

The strike is really going to put a damper on the synergy they were all hoping for, for the Splash Mountain fixer upper. That series is deep in it as it was, now its really in troubled waters.

 

[Disney Irish]

It feels like the one-two punch of this summer of flops and strikes is going to inflict some major (and long overdue) change on Hollywood. With mega-budget flops piling up, and now a full Hollywood shutdown by unions that will really damage the broader SoCal economy, the Summer of '23 won't be remembered fondly.

Box Office Fallout = These mega-budgets Disney approves have to be reduced ASAP. This is no longer working.

Hollywood Strike Fallout = The future use of AI in writing and background actors must be addressed, because if Hollywood continues to pretend neither of those technologies exist and can be leveraged in production, then media production will just move to a country where those technologies can be leveraged to produce a movie; Canada, Mexico, or God forbid, Communist China.

This isn't just a Disney problem, its an industry wide problem. No studio is "doing it right", all have budget issues and all have been having box office issues in one form or another.

 

[celluloid]

This isn't just a Disney problem, its an industry wide problem. No studio is "doing it right", all have budget issues and all have been having box office issues in one form or another.

None in comparison. Besides Renfield, could you name a few Universal films that flopped like Disney's?

Disney is the only studio that believes soley in tentpole giant budgets anymore.

One of the ways Eisner was superior to Iger. We had the middle movies that produced some of the long lasting hits for the studio and the parks.

 

[Disney Irish]

None in comparison. Besides Renfield, could you name a few Universal films that flopped like Disney's?

Fast X for one.....

Its budget was more than any other Disney film, including Indy 5, and it still didn't make a profit. Its going to end up losing Uni over $100M if not over $200M.

 

[celluloid]

Fast X for one.....

(check international numbers there pal) It was not a hit, but it was not a bomb like Disney's recent and more particularly sadly, consistent disappointments.

But I will play along to pretend to give you a point.



Yep. That is one. I will give you that. Come on. Two more big flops now. Disney level big disappointments.

I will save you time. It did not happen. Reinfeld and Maurice are the only notable ones. Maurice was an odd deal and Universal distributed it for another.

No major studio is falling like Disney.

Even Sony's Animated Marvel movie outperofrmed Disney's big Marvel releases this year. (And I don't see The Marvels in November doing much better)