Disney Irish
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Because as many here like to claim, this discussion is only about the theatrical money not post-theatrical. So it won't break even or profit during its theatrical run at $250M.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Disney Irish
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Remember when I also said in that same post that its very possible that Migration would surpass Wish....
Tony the Tigger
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What facts? What you posted was an opinion piece with a video you haven't watched.
People aren't deciding what's a good story or not before seeing a movie. They're deciding they don't want to see "x" in their movie and not watching it to find out if it's a good story or not.
It's not because they're not interested in mermaids. It's because they're offended by a black mermaid. It's not because Buzz shouldn't have two parents, it's because he shouldn't have two moms. That's apparently "a bad story."
...unless they want to watch a Disney film with gay characters. Boycott and bully Disney so they don't get made, right?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Actually it’s been about failure and recognizing its a huge problem for the last 250 or so days…
…but it takes some longer to get on the same page.
…poor Hallee
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Its not to divert attention at all. Its to state facts about the movie, that money is still coming in. It won't change anything, I stated that in my post. The movie flopped during theatrical. No one is claiming any different.
BuddyThomas
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But it will, post release, and it is clearly not the disaster that the WDW Magic Hate Club claims.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I agree its very possible to breakeven or be profitable post-theatrical.
LittleBuford
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I buy them in special cases as a tangible mark of my attachment to the film/show in question. I may never watch them if the option of streaming is available; it’s more about having the physical object.
CinematicFusion
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So I’m forced to watch everything Disney makes.. that is wrong on so many levels.
Disney can make any film they wish. The audience decides if they like it or wants to see it.
Example: Wish wasn’t good… Wonka was fantastic.
As a studio… have better press leading up to the film
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Tony the Tigger
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Wonka absolutely was great, I loved it. Might go see it again.
I have no interest in Disney princess movies, and pretty much never have. The only thing that might get me to watch Wish on D+ is the apparent references to other classic Disney films. The only thing that got me to watch TLM on D+ was people complaining about a black mermaid. I had to force myself to sit through the animated version on Freeform or something some years ago. Boring.
Yet, I'm not offended by Wish, rooting for it to fail, being overly critical of a child's cartoon for not being deep, feeling left out, or any other mental or emotional traumas implied by others. It is what it is. I don't care. Guessing some 13 year old girls out there dug it. Good for them. This movie and I do not intersect. Why would I care either way how it does at the box office? Why would I blame Disney if it wasn't perfect?
Sometimes they make movies I find interesting enough to watch. Sometimes they make movies others might enjoy more than I would. Isn't that cool? They can make movies about 13 year old girls, and they can make movies about a boy losing his Grandma, and I can choose which I want to watch or not watch - without getting angry at them!
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I have no issue stating when any box office prediction I've made is wrong. I've been wrong on a majority of my predictions this year, so what. I gave my honest opinion what I thought those movies would do and yes they didn't come out how I thought they would. Again so what, I'm not a box office analyst, none of us here are (at least that we are aware of). We're all just (hopefully) Disney fans on a Disney fan site talking about movies in a movie sub-forum.
Tony the Tigger
Well-Known Member
Forced to watch everything Disney makes? That's borderline hysteria.
And now back to Snow White. (Another non-issue.)
I see you.
BuddyThomas
Well-Known Member
There are Disney haters on here disguising themselves as Disney fans. A lot of them.
BuddyThomas
Well-Known Member
I do too.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
There’s nothing wrong with that. We all swing and miss. I took the “over” on most of these duds.
The results are shockingly bad if we’re honest…
The deep divide here is the insistence on the problem or lack thereof…
…there is a problem and guess which company has a big ole share of it and must change?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Yes, its a bit surprising how bad Disney did this year. The why is something that will be debated I'm sure for years. And there will be opinions on all sides, even if you may not agree with them they are all still valid.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The answer (unfortunately) is everyone on Wall Street who likes money
PiratesMansion
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I don't actually have an iPad at the moment. At one time I did, but the conclusion I came to was that, for me personally, iPads are somewhere in between a phone and a laptop, but without the advantages of either. Perhaps I was unlucky, because the iPads I had routinely took much longer to load the same content that took seconds to come up on my phone or laptop or TV. I only watch DVDs at home-if I'm not at home, I typically just use whatever streaming platform is available and watch on my laptop or (if for some reason that's not practical, like on an airplane) I just watch on my phone.
Yes, to more than I honestly use. I use streaming to find new content, or sometimes I'm just too lazy to get up and put the DVD or Blu-ray into the drive. If I like what I watch enough, I'll buy it on DVD or Blu-ray.
Maybe I'm not as tech savvy as I thought, because I've never done this, nor do I know anyone who has. I can count on one hand the number of disks I've purchased that no longer play perfectly, and Blu-ray disks are even less likely to scratch than DVDs. So to me this is not something I'm worried about or view as a significant problem.
Nope. I like the cases the movies come in.
Blu-ray, but yes.
I still buy physical media because I don't want to worry about my favorite films suddenly becoming unavailable because of the whims of a streaming service. Additionally, I don't enjoy being dependent on an internet connection to watch movies, something that was pretty standard pre-streaming: a few years ago, I had no internet in my apartment at one point for about half of a month, and those DVDs were a lifesaver.
As mentioned, there are an awful lot of films that have never, or will never, make it onto streaming. While there are exceptions, most streamers act as if most films or TV shows made before the 80s may as well have never existed. What is offered on streamers is the illusion of choice, the illusion of being like a virtual video store, but curated to a selection biased to corporate ownership and the good ol' algorithm. And the library options only appear to be shrinking-it's well documented that Netflix, at the very least, has FAR fewer titles available now than it did in the past. And some corporations just do dumb things with their content (i.e. with Max-what's the point of getting people to sign up for your service with DC or Harry Potter movies only for them to randomly disappear for months at a time without explanation?). Buying a physical copy of a movie provides some level of insurance from all of that.
If people are happy with streaming, I have no problem with that, but I do think that most people were short-sighted in throwing away their DVDs the minute they got Netflix without considering the more negative aspects of streaming that now seem to be coming into sharper focus.
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CinematicFusion
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If you are talking about the Little Mermaid it was a corporate marketing gimmick to cast Halle Bailey as Ariel.
For 38 years kid grew up with original animated Disney version of “The Little Mermaid”. For those who grew up with this image, any significant change can feel jarring or inauthentic to their memories of the character.
There’s a view that corporations, including film studios, make such casting decisions more for public relations or to appear progressive, rather than for artistic reasons. This can lead to skepticism about the authenticity of such choices.
Everyone loves Paterson Joseph playing Slugworth or Calah Lane playing Noodle.
It felt natural and real. The story felt new and interesting.
No one had ever seen slugworth.
It not like Noodle was a well known animated character children grew up with for 40 years and then as a marketing gimmick change her.
Disney needed to create an original story with
Halle Bailey with an original score from lin manuel miranda… because they are Disney and that’s what they are supposed to do.
Not remaking all time Disney classics worse than they were before. I’m including the remake of Beauty and the Beast in that. Sorry.. Emma Watson wasn’t good because she couldn’t live up to the animated version of Belle.
Princess Tiana was a great character and a great animated film (Yes I’m upset they didn’t create a new E-ticket ride for her and instead killed an all time classic… different argument)
All I see with the New Little Mermaid is New Coke vs Classic Coke. We all know how that failed in the 80s.
So I don’t understand how someone can like Dave Chapelle, Eddie Murphy, Denzel Washington, Fox, Jackson, Gloover, Freeman.. Love Wonka, Love Princess and the Frog… go on and on and on but if they disliked the character casting of Mermaid because it felt fake and forced (and it did) they are…
How did you put it?
“Think they're going to keep people "in their place?"
“There's a new majority in town. And it's minorities. I hope they treat us (white people) better than so many of us treated them. (And that's probably what the former majority is afraid of.)”.