Disney Irish
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Yes, we know they lost money, that has been discussed ad nauseam.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Disstevefan1
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Well for the majority regular folks (the folks who do not know the facts behind these numbers) this looks great for Disney and really that's what this is for, so its mission accomplished.
TWDC is indeed excellent story tellers.....
Disney Irish
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I don't think it'll take 10 years to correct this current downturn. The good thing about 2024 is that with the minimal number of releases if they do lose money this year it'll also be minimal.
As for Inside Out 2 I don't know if it'll be profitable or not, but it should be no surprise if it won't perform as well as the original most sequels don't.
Disstevefan1
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I equate TWDC to a sports team. If Disney gets a couple of real winners at the box office, all will be forgotten.
TWDC does have the talent. They just need to execute.
Disney Irish
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First a majority of regular folks don't really care if a studio is profitable or not.
Second a majority of regular folks don't really pay that close attention to what studio sells more tickets or not.
Third Disney isn't the one providing these numbers, they are provided by the same site that most here use to post the box office results.
Disney Irish
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I doubt some around here will forget, it'll be "Ok they had some good ones recently, but remember 2023....".
Disstevefan1
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You are right and we agree. To regular folks this looks GREAT!
Its too bad we couldn't beat out Universal, but this looks GREAT to the regular folks:
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Honestly outside this small community and analysts covering Disney not many people care all the much that Disney even lost money at the box office.
Also you forget the fact that Disney owns all 20th Century releases too, so added together Disney actually beat Uni.
Disstevefan1
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I hear you. I am firstly as Disney fan. Like my sports teams, I demand winning! and I will be critical of my team when we are not winning and complain.
When we win, I am happy and all is good.
For me, as a Disney fan, I will not make excuses, I will be critical, but when we win, I am happy and all is good.
TP2000
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That's great, because goodness knows there will be nothing else to track here in this thread except for old Pixar movies.
I have something to do this winter now!... Track and provide box office data for Poor Things on its way to a $100 Million break even figure.
Vegas Disney Fan
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Typically that turnaround requires a change in the coaching staff or the players, something Disney hasn’t done yet.
Same management team, same creative team… I was reading an article about the new Star Wars Rey film yesterday and it sounds like the intention is to keep doing exactly what they did last year, the message and empowerment is the priority, not the story… if they don’t change anything why would anyone expect them to have different results?
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Can we fix this, please?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Funny you mention Star Wars, Fandom just put out their 2023 list of top film franchises, guess which one tops the list even though it hasn't released a film in almost 5 years....
Also notice what number 2 on the list is.....
Disney Irish
Premium Member
And just like sports teams studios go through slumps too.
You also have people that root against a particular studio just like you do a sports team when they are successful.
Disstevefan1
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I agree. Lets hope there are changes such that can turn things around.
erasure fan1
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That's true. My concern is that if DTC is the goal, and box office isn't that concerning for Disney. Will they have enough high profile content to keep subscribers on board?
You are correct. But there are a couple points of view to look at. Most regular fans don't care if Disney isn't profitable in the theatrical windows, directly. But they do pay attention to if a movie isn't profitable, or isn't selling tickets, from the articles/buzz generated because of it. If a movie, Disney or anyone else, is constantly in the spotlight for not doing well, "worst opening ever"... it becomes less of a priority to see in a theater. That doesn't mean if a film is doing bad, it can't change the narrative. It just makes it a heck of a lot more difficult to do so.
TP2000
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Lone article!?!I posted at least three separate articles all claiming TLM made money. Seems like that advanced age of yours might be affecting the noggin.
The other two articles both seemed to use the original Deadline article as their source material. One article was written by a college girl in Toronto who nearly cut and pasted the Deadline text, for example.
The Deadline article, written back on May 31st, credited Mermaid with a net profit of $100 Million in profit from future DVD/PVOD sales. That's hundreds of millions of discs and viewings that will need to be sold to get to $100 Million net profit from that one revenue stream for Mermaid, if it ever pans out.
‘Little Mermaid’ Swimming Against Strong Tides At Overseas Box Office, Leaving Break-Even In Question
In a rare situation for a Disney tentpole, particularly a live action title based on a treasured animated classic, 'The Little Mermaid' may lose money.
deadline.com
TP2000
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It seems we should change the title of this thread.
It shouldn't be "Disney At The Box Office..."
Instead it should be "Disney At The Box Office After Tax Subsidies, Disney+ Inter-Department Payments, and Future DVD & PVOD Sales..."
It's a bit wordy, but that may help some folks here feel better about the box office results.
It shouldn't be "Disney At The Box Office..."
Instead it should be "Disney At The Box Office After Tax Subsidies, Disney+ Inter-Department Payments, and Future DVD & PVOD Sales..."
It's a bit wordy, but that may help some folks here feel better about the box office results.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I primarily care because it impacts the future, if movies keep losing money they are less likely to keep making them.
Had the recent Star Wars movies been well received and not fallen off 50% I doubt we’d have gone 5 years without them making a new one.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Netflix doesn't keeps subs by having "high profile content", in fact most of their content isn't "high profile", they keep subs by having a constant stream of content. Disney DTC is no different, they just need to keep content flowing into the service.
As far as I'm aware Disney still has plans to release a bunch of content to D+/Hulu this year, that is even with the reduced content spend this year.
Disney has 30 major movies coming out in 2024 — here they all are
Walt Disney Studios is releasing a handful of movies in theaters with plenty more heading straight to Disney+ and Hulu.
www.businessinsider.com
What's not on that list is the several Star Wars and Marvel projects still slated for release to D+ in 2024. I believe they have enough for at least 2-3 new releases a month all year of all their content.
You're saying "fans", they would be the ones following this stuff. I'm talking about regular folks that don't follow Disney closely, or any studio for that matter. All they care about is "am I going to like this movie", most barely notice what studio puts it out these days. Heck you still have many still thinking that Harry Potter is Disney, hence why they ask where Harry Potter Land is when doing to Disneyland or WDW.